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Oireachtas Committee to Quiz Minister on Horsemeat Scandal


Davidoff

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Another day, another load of 'equine DNA' found at an Irish meat plant.

The striking thing about the horseburger affair is that even though the first positive tests date back to last November, there still so much that we don't know.

This afternoon Simon Coveney faces the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine. This may be our best chance yet to get some answers.

What questions would you like to see asked?

Here are few obvious ones to be going on with:

Other food agencies throughout Europe do not test for equine DNA. Why did the FSAI decide to make doing so a priority last November?

When did the board of the FSAI last meet?

Have you traced the source of horsemeat in Irish burgers, if so what is it?

For how long have Irish firms been using this source and how much contaminated meat have they bought?

Are you certain that no horsemeat of Irish origin is involved?

What was the supply chain? Did the Irish firms buy direct or through 'meat traders'. Please identify the traders involved and explain their role.

Are there any health risks associated with eating untraceable horsemeat?

Was this product frozen, thawed and re-frozen? If so, does that pose any risk to health?

Why was this imported product being used? How much cheaper was it than the Irish-produced equivalent?

ABP has operations in Poland. Are they involved in any way?

Tesco were told that the meat in their burgers came from approved suppliers in the UK and Ireland. Who at ABP chose to source product outside the terms of that agreement? When did they start doing so?

Would you agree that any firm marketing cheap frozen scraps from abroad as 'Irish beef' is committing fraud and should be prosecuted?

If we don't enforce the law is it reasonable to expect the authorities in Poland to do so?
 

richie268

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I reckon you Sir have the answers.
 

Reck-less

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How many Polish speakers are there in the FSAI?

How many Polish speakers are there in the Department of Agriculture?
 

Furze

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Membership, Houses of the Oireachtas

They've already scripted the Q&As on this public relations exercise. I cannot see your hard Qs getting an airing. Maybe e.mail Colm Keaveney, if he's still a member?
 

Crazy horse 6

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Why are you trying to blame the Polish industry for this monumental fc uk up?
 

richie268

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Another day, another load of 'equine DNA' found at an Irish meat plant.

The striking thing about the horseburger affair is that even though the first positive tests date back to last November, there still so much that we don't know.

This afternoon Simon Coveney faces the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine. This may be our best chance yet to get some answers.

What questions would you like to see asked?

Here are few obvious ones to be going on with:

Other food agencies throughout Europe do not test for equine DNA. Why did the FSAI decide to make doing so a priority last November?

When did the board of the FSAI last meet?

Have you traced the source of horsemeat in Irish burgers, if so what is it?

For how long have Irish firms been using this source and how much contaminated meat have they bought?

Are you certain that no horsemeat of Irish origin is involved?

What was the supply chain? Did the Irish firms buy direct or through 'meat traders'. Please identify the traders involved and explain their role.

Are there any health risks associated with eating untraceable horsemeat?

Was this product frozen, thawed and re-frozen? If so, does that pose any risk to health?

Why was this imported product being used? How much cheaper was it than the Irish-produced equivalent?

ABP has operations in Poland. Are they involved in any way?

Tesco were told that the meat in their burgers came from approved suppliers in the UK and Ireland. Who at ABP chose to source product outside the terms of that agreement? When did they start doing so?

Would you agree that any firm marketing cheap frozen scraps from abroad as 'Irish beef' is committing fraud and should be prosecuted?

If we don't enforce the law is it reasonable to expect the authorities in Poland to do so?
If 75% of the Polish beef product was horse what did the remaining 25% consist of?
 

wombat

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How many Polish speakers are there in the FSAI?

How many Polish speakers are there in the Department of Agriculture?
How many Mr Eds do they employ?:lol:
 

IbrahaimMohamad

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Another day, another load of 'equine DNA' found at an Irish meat plant.

The striking thing about the horseburger affair is that even though the first positive tests date back to last November, there still so much that we don't know.

This afternoon Simon Coveney faces the Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine. This may be our best chance yet to get some answers.

What questions would you like to see asked?

Here are few obvious ones to be going on with:

Other food agencies throughout Europe do not test for equine DNA. Why did the FSAI decide to make doing so a priority last November?

When did the board of the FSAI last meet?

Have you traced the source of horsemeat in Irish burgers, if so what is it?

For how long have Irish firms been using this source and how much contaminated meat have they bought?

Are you certain that no horsemeat of Irish origin is involved?

What was the supply chain? Did the Irish firms buy direct or through 'meat traders'. Please identify the traders involved and explain their role.

Are there any health risks associated with eating untraceable horsemeat?

Was this product frozen, thawed and re-frozen? If so, does that pose any risk to health?

Why was this imported product being used? How much cheaper was it than the Irish-produced equivalent?

ABP has operations in Poland. Are they involved in any way?

Tesco were told that the meat in their burgers came from approved suppliers in the UK and Ireland. Who at ABP chose to source product outside the terms of that agreement? When did they start doing so?

Would you agree that any firm marketing cheap frozen scraps from abroad as 'Irish beef' is committing fraud and should be prosecuted?

If we don't enforce the law is it reasonable to expect the authorities in Poland to do so?
Can Polish horse meat be imported cheaper than Irish Horse meat can be produced?
Is there an Irish Horse meat industry?
Where does the meat go?
Where do all the Irish Horses go?
What legal sanctions can be imposed on individuals who sell the flesh of other species as the flesh of a different species?
How many different species do you test Irish Beef for ?

How is it possible to make a single burger containing 30% horse using industrial protuction processes?
Is it time to test cereals and flour for rodent excrement?
 

The Field Marshal

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How many Polish speakers are there in the FSAI?

How many Polish speakers are there in the Department of Agriculture?
The FSAI are a government quango answerable to the minister for health . I'm convinced this storm in a teacup about minute traces of horsemeat in burgers is being spun to deflect attention away from Minister Reillys serious political problems.
 

Davidoff

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Why are you trying to blame the Polish industry for this monumental fc uk up?
The official position on this may be shifting a little.

On the One O'Clock News they seemed to pivot from 'Polish meat' to 'meat labelled as Polish.'

As per usual, we're left guessing at what this means. But maybe there's a suspicion that this is Irish horsemeat sold with fake Polish paperwork.
 

Heligoland

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Simon Coveney is a great example of the hereditary principle at work in Irish politics.
 

Davidoff

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The Taoiseach said a few moments ago during leaders questions that Silvercrest bought frozen scraps direct from a plant in Poland.

Given that they sold this on to their customers as Irish beef, how is that not fraud?

Why are they not being prosecuted?
 

Davidoff

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Dev Og just declared that horseburgers are safe to eat.

His party leader disputed that very point ten minutes ago in the Dail.

Not much danger of these guys getting their ducks in a row.
 

Seanie Lemass

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I do beleive that Coveney said that Rangeland were using the imported horsemeat but only for export. He has subsequently said he does not beleive that anyone 'knowingly' imported horsemeat.
 

Davidoff

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The minister seems to be saying the ABP labels were consistent with the law. But they plainly weren't if the product was 30% undeclared horsemeat.

And again, if they marketed this Polish junk as Iirsh beef that is deliberate deception for financial gain, which is fraud. So why are they not being prosecuted?

Also what about the issue of thawing and re-freezing ingredients. Is there any health risk associated with that?
 
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Davidoff

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Nearly over and things are still clear as mud.

Maybe someone will ask how much of this junk entered the Irish food chain.
 

Davidoff

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I know this is turning in to a bit of a one man thread (sorry about that) but Susan O'Keeffe has made a very strong and well-informed contribution towards the end.

It's worth the attention of anyone following the story.
 
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