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Oireachtas Health Committee on Draft Abortion Legislation


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The Master of the Rotunda raising some very significant ethical issues over the suicide clause in the proposed legislation. “Our psychiatric colleagues tells us that there is no evidence that abortion is a treatment.” The inclusion of suicide grounds in the legislation may increase the demand for abortion in Ireland, said Dr Coulter-Smyth.

Dr Coulter-Smyth says he and his colleagues are concerned that an unintentional consequence of this legislation would be an increased demand for abortion.

Seanad Éireann, Houses of the Oireachtas

Minister Reilly getting flack for leaving the hearings without answering any questions.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/reilly-criticised-for-leaving-hearing-on-abortion-legislation-1.1397223

Edit Monday 20th.

Hearing to begin at 9.30 if anyone interested. Fifteen experts will today address the Oireachtas health committee’s ongoing hearings on abortion, including 11 psychiatrists, an oncologist and a cardiologist.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/oireachtas-committee-to-resume-abortion-hearings-1.1400049
 
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A summary might be a good idea.
Merging into another "A" thread might be an Idea too...

But, no, Fresh from the kerb stones in Ballinteer , full of zeal, another thread is called for... The Devil can cite scripture, the lobbyist can cite publications, irrespective of their robustness to peer review.
 

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Increased demand? Nonsense, the demand already exists, and is met by a trip to London.
Nevertheless, this has been raised by the Master of the Rotunda.
 
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Nevertheless, this has been raised by the Master of the Rotunda.
Ya - he's stated the bloody obvious. And I'm not sure if you noticed that he said an increase in demand, he did not say an increase in the number of abortions.
 

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Ya - he's stated the bloody obvious. And I'm not sure if you noticed that he said an increase in demand, he did not say an increase in the number of abortions.
19 hospitals in Ireland that treat pregnant women and two of the three obstetricians today in the hearing are from the same hospital. Both disagreeing with the third obstetrician. Lopsided?
 
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If there are any mods around would you consider merging this thread with one of the many existing abortion threads. We can't be having a new thread opened for every utterance of every participant in the ongoing debate. The site is already looking like Abortion.ie!
 
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19 hospitals in Ireland that treat pregnant women and two of the three obstetricians today in the hearing are from the same hospital. Both disagreeing with the third obstetrician. Lopsided?
No.
 

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If there are any mods around would you consider merging this thread with one of the many existing abortion threads. We can't be having a new thread opened for every utterance of every participant in the ongoing debate. The site is already looking like Abortion.ie!
Did you suggest this for the other "abortion" thread started today?

http://www.politics.ie/forum/culture-community/210758-do-pro-lifers-support-murder.html

The hearings are interesting and appear to question not just the suicide clause but also how the devil appears to be in the detail in this one.
 

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It's an interesting hearing for a number of reasons.
Excellent coverage although the link keeps dropping.
Stopping every couple of minutes. Haven't come across that before.
 

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19 hospitals, I have no idea how many obstetricians, and three doctors giving opinion, two from the one hospital and you don't find that lopsided or odd? Really?

That their opinions should differ so much in relation to the suicide clause is most interesting.
 
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Did you suggest this for the other "abortion" thread started today?

http://www.politics.ie/forum/culture-community/210758-do-pro-lifers-support-murder.html

The hearings are interesting and appear to question not just the suicide clause but also how the devil appears to be in the detail in this one.
We already have enough threads on the subject - and at this stage all we are getting is a rehashing of the same old arguments over and over again. This legislation is a non-event, it changes nothing. The real issues have yet to be addressed and will require a referendum.
 

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We already have enough threads on the subject - and at this stage all we are getting is a rehashing of the same old arguments over and over again. This legislation is a non-event, it changes nothing. The real issues have yet to be addressed and will require a referendum.
Actually, the concerns raised by Dr Coulter-Smith are salient.
 
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