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Online Hate Speech Leads to Real World Violence


owedtojoy

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https://www.coe.int/en/web/european-commission-against-racism-and-intolerance/hate-speech-and-violence

There have been several studies that link online hate speech as defined above to actual real world violence.



https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/01/12/in-germany-online-hate-speech-has-real-world-consequences

It's becoming more and more obvious that those who persistently spout hate speech in online fora such as this one will potentially act on their threats.

What is also becoming obvious is that governments and law enforcement agencies are now taking these online threats much more seriously, and that they not only are willing to prosecute the poster, but also the site itself for giving them a platform.

The "freedom of speech" argument just doesn't carry much water anymore when it comes to online threats.



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/22/hate-speech-violence-liberals-rightwing-extremists

Here's is an interesting article from five years ago by an Irish barrister. In it he clearly states:



http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/social-media-anonymity-trolls-1027933-Aug2013/

In Ireland, the crime of online hate speech is normally prosecuted under the Prohibition of Incitement to Hatred Act 1989 and under the Equality Act, however there are further avenues available to the victims under civil law.

I'd like to see what the parish thinks regarding all of this.

Are we headed in the right direction when it comes to striking a balance between freedom of speech versus hate speech?

Is it justified to enjoin a website for allowing hatespeech to go on without sanction?

Have you yourself witnessed online hatespeech?...been a victim of it?
A Turkish proverb says "Words can hurt forever .... "

We know, for example, that how we communicate with our children, and the words we use, are really important. It is only slightly less so with adults.

We also know that Social Media posts (especially Facebook and Twitter) played a big role in the Rohingya genocide/ refugee crisis in Myanmar, and in anti-Christian violence in place like Indonesia. However, the developing world is Facebook's growth area, and the company is loath to introduce policing of violent sexual content, less it impact profits.

In Myanmar, hatred whipped up on Facebook Messenger has driven ethnic cleansing of the Rohingya. In India, false child abduction rumors on Facebook’s WhatsApp service have incited mobs to lynch innocent victims. In the Philippines, Turkey, and other receding democracies, gangs of “patriotic trolls” use Facebook to spread disinformation and terrorize opponents. And in the United States, the platform’s advertising tools remain conduits for subterranean propaganda.

Mark Zuckerberg now spends much of his time apologizing for data breaches, privacy violations, and the manipulation of Facebook users by Russian spies.
The online hate speech problem is largely a Social Media one.

The Autocracy App | by Jacob Weisberg | The New York Review of Books
 

bokuden

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Agreed. Use of the word knacker is wrong. Likewise see Rasherhash and Gol whatever the hell's posts on Jews for similar racism.
There's a lot of it on this site from many quarters: castigating and dehumanising whole groups of people, which is hate speech IMO.
 

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There's a lot of it on this site from many quarters: castigating and dehumanising whole groups of people, which is hate speech IMO.
You can't shut people up by constantly accusing them of anti-Jewism.

It's not anti-anything to present evidence that the Rothschilds were Masons and helped design the supreme court, try and deal with reality for a change :speechless:
 

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Online hate works in many ways, not all obvious.
Here's a case in point: in Britain some days ago a passenger was stabbed to death on a train, a normal commuter train into London around lunchtime. A man has now been charged with the murder, but all media reports of this continue showing images of the victim, not the perpetrator. The victim is a middle aged white man, so those not paying attention to the matter will quite easily form the impression that the victim is in fact the perpetrator, that the white middle aged man is the stabber, the murderer, underlining the normalised media position of white males being violent and everyone else being their victims. So far no picture of the perpetrator has been released, very unusual in such a case, especially after police have pressed charges.
This is how media hate works, and if you are white and male, it's working against you.
Oh dear. The Mail is all over it, with photos of the charged.
 

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People being attacked for wearing maga hats...

[video=youtube;zlTB7geKaZg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlTB7geKaZg[/video]
 

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Germany 1977, 500 academics were banned from teaching because of their radical views...

[video=youtube;KRnKfg2Y9nE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnKfg2Y9nE[/video]
 

Golah veNekhar

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Germany 1977, 500 academics were banned from teaching because of their radical views...

[video=youtube;KRnKfg2Y9nE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnKfg2Y9nE[/video]
One of the major reasons for the emergence of the RAF was the banning of the Communist Party and the Socialist Empire Party.That was a really big thing.
 

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Germany 1977, 500 academics were banned from teaching because of their radical views...

[video=youtube;KRnKfg2Y9nE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnKfg2Y9nE[/video]
You don't get many activists of the calibre and strength of character of Holger Meins nowadays. His last letter when he was on hunger strike quotes Berthold Brecht's "The Measures Taken"

"Either a human or pig
Either to survive at any price or
to struggle until death
Either part of the problem or part of the solution
Between the two there is nothing"


Stefan Aust's Book - "The Baader Meinhof Complex" is genuinely an excellent read and was subsequently reprinted following the 2008 film of the same name.

 

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Germany 1977, 500 academics were banned from teaching because of their radical views...

[video=youtube;KRnKfg2Y9nE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRnKfg2Y9nE[/video]
And your point on this is?

That the Red Army faction continued on the legacy of Hitler while calling themselves "anti-fascists"?

But colour me surprised that you would be sympathetic to a bunch of terrorists, scumbags and red fascists who despised jews and wanted to eradicate Israel from the map.

Yes, it was well known that the universities were one well-pool of fanaticism that would fuel almost two decades of Red terrorism.

Jaded academics discovered an antidote for accidie and boredom through laicised left wing messianism and espousal of violence for other people, an especially despicable trait among left wing intellectuals.

They indoctrinated their students in Marxist theories, ensuring they never really became well employed. They legitimised political violence by spouting a load of clap-trap.

Yes, I have noticed the distinct echoes of all of this among you and your cronies, determined to repeat the tragedies of history, it would seem.

Despicable clown.
 

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As Alberto Franceschini put it, "All of us in the Red Brigades" were drug addicts of a particular type, of ideology. A murderous drug, worse than heroin".

He sure got that right. Somewhat presciently as regards you and your cronies imho.
 

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And your point on this is?

That the Red Army faction continued on the legacy of Hitler while calling themselves "anti-fascists"?

But colour me surprised that you would be sympathetic to a bunch of terrorists, scumbags and red fascists who despised jews and wanted to eradicate Israel from the map.

Yes, it was well known that the universities were one well-pool of fanaticism that would fuel almost two decades of Red terrorism.

Jaded academics discovered an antidote for accidie and boredom through laicised left wing messianism and espousal of violence for other people, an especially despicable trait among left wing intellectuals.

They indoctrinated their students in Marxist theories, ensuring they never really became well employed. They legitimised political violence by spouting a load of clap-trap.

Yes, I have noticed the distinct echoes of all of this among you and your cronies, determined to repeat the tragedies of history, it would seem.

Despicable clown.
The basic point is how a 'democratic society' banned 500 academics, the guy speaking about it was persecuted for reprinting information that was already in the public domain through the msm.

As Golah says, two communist outlet were outlawed and the RAF was one of the consequences.

I'm sure even a fascist like you know it is nonsense to say the RAF continued on Hitler's legacy, he was a right wing authoritarian they were definitively left wing.

No comparison.
 

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As Alberto Franceschini put it, "All of us in the Red Brigades" were drug addicts of a particular type, of ideology. A murderous drug, worse than heroin".

He sure got that right. Somewhat presciently as regards you and your cronies imho.
The RAF was an amazing 'experiment', those involved were very angry and very dedicated to their cause but that was mixed with naivité and impatience.

I think the final note on their philosophy has yet to be written.
 

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As Alberto Franceschini put it, "All of us in the Red Brigades" were drug addicts of a particular type, of ideology. A murderous drug, worse than heroin".

He sure got that right. Somewhat presciently as regards you and your cronies imho.
Bit like Zionism than eh what?

At least 290 indigenous Palestinians were murdered by Zionism last year, 51 of them children. Did that raise your Jewish self confidence?

Meanwhile I encourage Jews to get to know Palestinians. I support the building of bridges between the two groups so that a just and lasting peace can emerge. It is unclear what your end game is, very possibly you are looking forward to a third Nabka. You certainly do believe in the often unbelievably sadistic domination of the indigenous population of Palestine and the Jewish state continuing (forever?) to live by it's sword and being a destablizing force in the region.
 

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The RAF was an amazing 'experiment', those involved were very angry and very dedicated to their cause but that was mixed with naivité and impatience.

I think the final note on their philosophy has yet to be written.
Ulrike Meinhof was a very pure and beautiful person however I would not say the same thing about a lot of the rest of them. Andreas Baader was shall we say a bit of psycho. You have to though see them in the context of the American occupation of the Western part of Germany especially at a time when the United States was committing mass murder in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.
 

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... At least 290 indigenous Palestinians were murdered by Zionism last year, 51 of them children...
Only to people like you who make anti Israel propaganda on the backs of Palestinian deaths and suffering were these people "murdered", presumably gratuitously and malevolently, by the Israelis.

[video=youtube;c7OoPiNBlJI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7OoPiNBlJI[/video]
[video=youtube;YoqhjKjuQac]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoqhjKjuQac[/video]
 

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Only to people like you who make anti Israel propaganda on the backs of Palestinian deaths and suffering were these people "murdered", presumably gratuitously and malevolently, by the Israelis.
Gaza is quickly becoming uninhabitable for human life. The IDF has being deliberately picking off medics. There is no way that they would be able to get off the fence however they have not been killed attempting to scale the fence now have they? So yes the murders have been gratuitous and malevolent. Zionist propaganda it seems is willing to justify anything all along demonizing hysterically the indigenous Palestinian population and very often the wider Levant and even Muslims as a whole- and if people do not go along with than of course they must be anti-Semites, eh what? I do not think there is a single thing that Israel could do which you would not justify.

14 Israelis were killed in the conflict this year. 290 indigenous Palestinians were killed this year in the conflict.

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/israeli-paramedics-publishes/
 

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There is a comparison. You've just made it, and thereby damned them with faint praise, not to mention the direction from which the praise is coming.
I am not going to give a stamp of approval to the Red Army Faction however there is no comparison between them and the ideology of Hitler and his thugs, though I do not think that Hitler and his ideology fit into the usual left and right paradigm. There are very strong comparisons however between Hitler's ideology and that of Speedfreak and roc on here, and I say this as someone who has actually sat down and read the material given out by both groups.
 

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I am not going to give a stamp of approval to the Red Army Faction however there is no comparison between them and the ideology of Hitler and his thugs, though I do not think that Hitler and his ideology fit into the usual left and right paradigm. There are very strong comparisons however between Hitler's ideology and that of Speedfreak and roc on here, and I say this as someone who has actually sat down and read the material given out by both groups.
 
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