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Only 4% will vote No: Red C Poll


Dame_Enda

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Over 60% in this poll say they know little or nothing about the amendment. There were similar levels of support in the campaign for the Oireachtas Inquiries referendum. I expect this to pass but with a very large "No" vote.
14% say they are extremely knowledgeable about the Children’s Referendum
19% say they are quite knowledgeable
39% say they are not very knowledgeable
22% say they are not at all knowledgeable
Also call me a cynic, but the National Youth Council are hardly a neutral party to this referendum. I would like them to produce the exist wording of the question in the poll so as to verify it wasn't in any way a leading one. Red C are a reputable polling company but I would like to see the exact question they polled.

Also, humanists have joined the "No" campaign, arguing the govt can't be trusted with these new powers given they have not separated Church and State, and that the Constitution already allows the authorities to to intervene where children are abused.
The government should be forced to live up to its existing constitutional obligations and not distract the issues by holding a referendum.

That is according to the 'Two Rights Now' group, which has launched its 'No' campaign in the Children's Rights Referendum.

They say the state can't be trusted with further powers when the rights to free education and to attend primary school without religious teaching are being ignored.

Spokesperson Dick Spicer told 98FM that the current articles in the constitution also protect children against abuse.

He added: "The fact of the matter is, the state can already intervene if there is abuse of children. Why is she pedalling this over the top nonsense?"
 
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Protestant/Catholic=Irish

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Over 60% in this poll say they know little or nothing about the amendment. There were similar levels of support in the campaign for the Oireachtas Inquiries referendum. I expect this to pass but with a very large "No" vote.
Ah yes, and the Greens will top the poll in the next election :lol:

I haven't even seen a poster advocating a no vote yet because, well, there aren't any legitimate reason to vote no!
 

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... I would like them to produce the exist wording of the question in the poll so as to verify it wasn't in any way a leading one. Red C are a reputable polling company but I would like to see the exact question they polled.
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It's RedC's reputation that's put on the line when poll results from them are published, not the client's.
In an industry where reputation is everything, they wouldn't damage their own livelihoods and careers by putting their names to results that have been deliberately skewed.
The importance of the commissioners of the polls is that they have they have the right to publish polls when they like the results and keep them secret when they don't.
 

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Over 60% in this poll say they know little or nothing about the amendment. There were similar levels of support in the campaign for the Oireachtas Inquiries referendum. I expect this to pass but with a very large "No" vote. Also call me a cynic, but the National Youth Council are hardly a neutral party to this referendum. I would like them to produce the exist wording of the question in the poll so as to verify it wasn't in any way a leading one. Red C are a reputable polling company but I would like to see the exact question they polled.

Also, humanists have joined the "No" campaign, arguing the govt can't be trusted with these new powers given they have not separated Church and State, and that the Constitution already allows the authorities to to intervene where children are abused.
child hater.
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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Ah yes, and the Greens will top the poll in the next election :lol:

I haven't even seen a poster advocating a no vote yet because, well, there aren't any legitimate reason to vote no!
You've obviously not been watching carefully our more libertarian and our more catholic friends have been advocating a no vote strongly. The basis of their objection is more state interference in family / individual rights allied to past failures by the state in this area. They are all bats of course -this is a truly good initiative.
 

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child hater.
PC bull. Children are already protected in the Constitution from abuse as much as under these proposals. This is about a power-hungry State seeking to usurp the natural role of the parent in a child's life. After the massive abuse in the industrial schools we would have to be mad to entrust them further in this area. And it also threatens to increase anti-social behaviour among children by preventing parents using reasonable chastisement to punish such behaviour. As a victim of vicious anti-social behaviour from teenagers a couple of years ago which cost me thousands to repair, I know what I am talking about.
 

Protestant/Catholic=Irish

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neutron..............are shinners voting NO ?
Of course not. Sinn Féin have been vocal in their support for this amendment and have called for cross party support for it.

Children
 

Howya

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Ah yes, and the Greens will top the poll in the next election :lol:

I haven't even seen a poster advocating a no vote yet because, well, there aren't any legitimate reason to vote no!
Let me give you one good reason to vote No - the government/HSE's historic record of protecting vulnerable children is so poor that giving them any more power has to be questioned.
 

Delarivier

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If the result is likely to be such a foregone conclusion, how many people will bother coming out to vote at all?
 

borntorum

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It'll be passed, but I'd say the turnout will be risible.

There's an argument that there should be a minimum turnout before a constitutional referendum can be considered valid.
 

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The fact that the scumbags actually put children on the Yes campaign posters is, imho, utterly disgracful,

Iv tried to discuss the ref with about half a dozen people,

And got nowhere,

What's wrong with Irish people, honestly,

Do ye just want to be Communists, is that it?
 

constitutionus

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i really dont give a toss about this one one way or the other but i'd lay good odds its not going to be the walkover people think.

the people have a habit of saying one thing to a pollster and voting different on the day. the more PC the subject the worse that gets and ya cant get more PC than this one.

its not like were talking about judges pay here !

:D
 

Ulster-Lad

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More power to the government and take it from the parents, what ever could go wrong??
 

runwiththewind

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Ah yes, and the Greens will top the poll in the next election :lol:

I haven't even seen a poster advocating a no vote yet because, well, there aren't any legitimate reason to vote no!
Yes there is. As Dame_Enda has pointed out, the legislation as it exists, is more than adequate. The HSE and the gardai have the power to take a child into their custody if they believe the child to be at risk.

Reasons to vote NO.

1. Legislative powers already exist. Lack of funding is the problem.
2. There are no specialist child care courts or trained specialist judges. On average 3-4 hours a week is given to child care proceedings in any district court. Sometimes they have to get through 30/40 cases. Surely, on a matter as serious as removing children from their parents, such cases deserve more court time and to be heard in a higher court by specialist trained judges.
3. How many children had died in the care of the HSE since 2000? How many children have died in the care of the state since its foundation. Compare that death total to the number of children who have died in the care of their parent/s.
4. Church and state are still not separated. Where are troubled teenagers to be sent? St. Patrick's institution? Remind me of who runs St. Pats.
5. The vetting procedure for potential foster parents is not thorough enough. €750 per forthnight, per child, it is a lot of money.
6. It's the adoption laws that need to be changed, along with guardianship laws. A referendum is not required for this. At present, no married parent can be removed as a guardian, regardless of circumstances.
7. Children need their own legal representation or appointed guardian ad litem. This too can be legislated for.
8. The HSE themselves admit that the child care system doesn't work and children coming through their system have no chance really in life. That said, there isn't a system that works anywhere in the world.
9. My dark suspicion is that this is being pushed by the HSE. It cannot afford the foster care system any more. It's extremely difficult to have children adopted in this country and this is what the HSE wants to change. To clean out its children from foster care and place them up for adoption. Cost effective.
10. Care orders sought and care orders granted, nearly 100%.
11. I don't trust the HSE. It, and the courts are too secretive. They hide behind the all encompassing "we don't discuss individual cases" and the courts behind the in-camera rule. Nobody is watching either.

Just some reasons to consider before voting yes.
 
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runwiththewind

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It'll be passed, but I'd say the turnout will be risible.

There's an argument that there should be a minimum turnout before a constitutional referendum can be considered valid.
Isn't it 50%. Anything under 50% is invalid.
 
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