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offalypat

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So it's fine to re-open the pubs again, as the cases of coronavirus are going up and up... but it wasn't okay to open the pubs in july or august.

Yet again the coalition of chaos are making it up as they go along....it makes little sense.
the cases started going up and up since we were forced to wear face masks isnt that comical.since i started wearing the face masks i dont feel as well as i did before i notice a coarseness in my troth and speaking to a few people they have found the same.
 

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Just because other people behave stupidly does not mean you should feel stupid because you do the sensible and responsible thing. We all know people are always going to be stupid. It doesn't mean we all have to be. Stupid behaviour is what is going to prevent us all having something of a semblance of normality for some time to come.

I think there is a possibility that the mutation of Covid circulating now may be less dangerous and also we are better able to treat it now in addition. But I don't think we are going to know this for sure until the winter. In the meantime the welfare of our healthcare staff and healthcare system is much more important than pubs as we all know. Don't we?
why do the government not try mats with bleach at every doorway i am no expert like lots of the doctors and specialists on television spouting off about this way and that way to prevent this virus but there is one thing i do know that is viruses are carried on the feet of humans and animals.
 

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That is just not true, and certainly not true for all asymptomatic people.
You cannot reason with someone who suffers from the real variety of TDS. :)
 

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to the health authoritties that covid is being transmitted in the home but that it's being picked up in the hospitality secter, how do they know that, it could be picked up anywhere. Say u had a groupf of 6 people from 3 houses in the pub/resteraunt, if only 1 person from the group gets it, how can they blame the pub/resteraunt.
 

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People don't catch the virus from dead cows, toilet seats, pint glasses or chicken wings, it spreads from one person to another. the only way to reduce transmission is to reduce mixing with others. We have been asked to ration our contacts with others. The govt want to prioritise schools and factories so that means reducing contacts in other sectors. If people decide to use their ration of contacts to spend time in pubs and restaurants, their ration won't be available to use at work.
 

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why do the government not try mats with bleach at every doorway i am no expert like lots of the doctors and specialists on television spouting off about this way and that way to prevent this virus but there is one thing i do know that is viruses are carried on the feet of humans and animals.
I did read that there was tests done in pavements in Paris iirc and they were shocked to discover an active trail of virus from a hospital to chemist shops. Sorry I can't find a link to the story but I remember reading it out to my OH several months ago.
 

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to the health authoritties that covid is being transmitted in the home but that it's being picked up in the hospitality secter, how do they know that, it could be picked up anywhere. Say u had a groupf of 6 people from 3 houses in the pub/resteraunt, if only 1 person from the group gets it, how can they blame the pub/resteraunt.
the virus spreads by people mingling and congregating together. By definition that means restaurants are among places that represent a risk. And Nolan did say on radio this morning that pubs/restaurants internationally have been shown to be places where the virus is transmitted. Don’t ask me how he knows that, but there you go.
 

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the virus spreads by people mingling and congregating together. By definition that means restaurants are among places that represent a risk. And Nolan did say on radio this morning that pubs/restaurants internationally have been shown to be places where the virus is transmitted. Don’t ask me how he knows that, but there you go.
Up to a couple of daya ago there had being only 5 cases that could have being directly attributed to pubs and resteraunts, but u could see last night alot of strangers in the town, even our local they did not finish the food till 9.30/10 normaly it would be 8.30
 

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Up to a couple of daya ago there had being only 5 cases that could have being directly attributed to pubs and resteraunts, but u could see last night alot of strangers in the town, even our local they did not finish the food till 9.30/10 normaly it would be 8.30
yes but I think the point that Philip Nolan was making is that they are effectively an “exchange” - I.e. a place where the virus can be transmitted without the venue necessarily being the cause.
Anyway, we shall see in 3 weeks time what decline there are in cases, if any.

the interesting question is can they ever open again, in the medium term?
 

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yes but I think the point that Philip Nolan was making is that they are effectively an “exchange” - I.e. a place where the virus can be transmitted without the venue necessarily being the cause.
Anyway, we shall see in 3 weeks time what decline there are in cases, if any.

the interesting question is can they ever open again, in the medium term?
That is pure bullshit from him, a person could have being i a number of fifferent venues say shop, work, house or pub resteraunt where they could hve contracted the virus but we will blame the pub/resteraunt anywayts it's easier
 

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to the health authoritties that covid is being transmitted in the home but that it's being picked up in the hospitality secter, how do they know that, it could be picked up anywhere. Say u had a groupf of 6 people from 3 houses in the pub/resteraunt, if only 1 person from the group gets it, how can they blame the pub/resteraunt.
If they were not gathered in the pub the infection could not spread within that group.

If course you know that but are still trying to justify your own rule breaking; drinking in pubs in the basis that half an Aldi pizza or a few chicken nuggets constitutes a "substantial meal". Drinking in pubs without food and remaining on the premises for hours in breach of the maximum time rule.
 

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That is pure bullshit from him, a person could have being i a number of fifferent venues say shop, work, house or pub resteraunt where they could hve contracted the virus but we will blame the pub/resteraunt anywayts it's easier
as far as i can see those over paid yobs pretend to know something about covid 19 but in truth they really dont know anything but if they can make everyone live a life of hardship they think they are doing the right thing
 

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That is pure bullshit from him, a person could have being i a number of fifferent venues say shop, work, house or pub resteraunt where they could hve contracted the virus but we will blame the pub/resteraunt anywayts it's easier
Its not bullshit.

by your own post you agree the virus can be caught in pubs/restaurants, as well as other places.

the issue here is the degree of risk. The more places that enable mingling the higher the degree of risk, and some enable the risk to a greater extent than others. And some venues are more necessary than others.

supermarkets are a must have. Some workplaces are a must have. Others are not a must have.

so you keep supermarkets open (essential) and close pubs (higher risk and not essential).
 

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the virus spreads by people mingling and congregating together. By definition that means restaurants are among places that represent a risk. And Nolan did say on radio this morning that pubs/restaurants internationally have been shown to be places where the virus is transmitted. Don’t ask me how he knows that, but there you go.
I don't believe this for a minute as restaurants are some of the cleanest places ever. The transmission is from one person to another in the home. Coming in from people in health care situations. From house parties. From workers.
 

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I don't believe this for a minute as restaurants are some of the cleanest places ever. The transmission is from one person to another in the home. Coming in from people in health care situations. From house parties. From workers.
they can be as clean as they like but that doesn’t prevent a customer bringing Covid in with them.

and healthcare workers, other workers, and those who attended house parties all frequent restaurants.
 

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they can be as clean as they like but that doesn’t prevent a customer bringing Covid in with them.

and healthcare workers, other workers, and those who attended house parties all frequent restaurants.
Link to proof that restaurants are main causes of the transmission please.
 

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She who must be obeyed and myself are going to the local tonight to support them and welcome them back after 6 months of closure. They have gone to great lengths to ensure everyone's safety and I hope to see a big show of support for him this evening.
 

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She who must be obeyed and myself are going to the local tonight to support them and welcome them back after 6 months of closure. They have gone to great lengths to ensure everyone's safety and I hope to see a big show of support for him this evening.
Oh dear, I thought this place was quiet due to everybody being already at the pub. A big show of support means they'll close everywhere down again tomorrow. So be careful. I was going to ring the homes of two of my BIL's to see if they were going to the pub, one of whom when told to stay at home in March went to the pub in glee and has been depressed ever since.
 

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Oh dear, I thought this place was quiet due to everybody being already at the pub. A big show of support means they'll close everywhere down again tomorrow. So be careful. I was going to ring the homes of two of my BIL's to see if they were going to the pub, one of whom when told to stay at home in March went to the pub in glee and has been depressed ever since.
No. A big show is support and here would still be within the maximum 50 allowed... So don't worry!
 

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