Opposition response to Syrian refugee crisis

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During the last week, approximately 160 Syrian refugees have started arriving Ireland. That means that we've taken approx. 500 since we made a commitment to take 4,000 refugees over a year ago. This is out of a total of about 4.8m people who have been displaced by the civil war.

We are a wealthy county, and by any objective measure, this is a paltry response to the largest humanitarian crisis Europe has faced since the end of the second World War.

What is therefore surprising is the total lack of concern shown by the parties of the so-called Left on this issue. While there was some comment on the issue earlier in the year, prior to the issue of homelessness bubbling to the top of the political agenda, nobody from SF, PBP or AAA has issued a statement in recent months criticising the Government's response.

This is particularly noteworthy given that Katerine Zapone and Frances Fitzgerald were in Greece this week making political hay out of their efforts to accommodate displaced Syrian families.

This silence obviously arises from party operatives having tested the water and detecting a distinct ambivalence towards helping refugees among their core support. Fair enough, but what does that say about the "new" Left in Ireland?

Aren't left wing politics supposed to embrace internationalism and solidarity for the oppressed regardless of nationality? Isn't this just another example of the "new" Left in Ireland being nothing more that a well-organised exercise in political opportunism?
 


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The word "we" has been abused many times there.

"We" did not consent to anything. Angela's asses decided to bailout their boss.

And "we" are not a wealthy country. "we" are a country overwhelmed by debt. Some people are extremely wealthy. The IFSC & transfer pricing distort the true economic picture greatly.

Unless you are FG's owner, & given multiple debt write downs.

The Yanks caused the mess along with the KSA & Qatar.

Thry have not yet issued any apology. And they are not interested for paying for the reconstruction either.

Where are the states that broke it now that it needs to be fixed ?
 

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Bringing Syrians over here is a scandalous waste of money. For every Syrian put up over here the money could have been used to put up ten times or more Syrians in that region of the world.
This policy of admitting Syrians is nothing more than virtue signalling at national level, it is providing minuscule assistance to the millions of refugees in the region and is squandering the money that is available to assist in the relief of the Syrian refugee crisis.
 

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This whole problem has been disgracefully manufactured by those in charge and they have played us like fools.

The refugee crisis is a symptom of a poorly thought through attempt at securing control and alliances in the near middle east. As a geo-political strategy it has failed spectacularly. But as an exercise in mass propaganda and population manipulation it has been enormously successful. Instead of questioning who was involved and why and whether we could bring pressure to bear on those fueling the whole horror, we focused on who were the 'good guys' and who were the 'bad guys'. Guess what, it doesn't really matter to the half a million people who have lost their lives.

And here we are hand wringing, asking if we should take ten thousand or fifty thousand of those lucky left as if that is the extent of our involvement. Where were the marches demanding EU and US to stop their (illegal) intervention? We should all be ashamed of ourselves.
 

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The word "we" has been abused many times there.

"We" did not consent to anything. Angela's asses decided to bailout their boss.

And "we" are not a wealthy country. "we" are a country overwhelmed by debt. Some people are extremely wealthy. The IFSC & transfer pricing distort the true economic picture greatly.

Unless you are FG's owner, & given multiple debt write downs.

The Yanks caused the mess along with the KSA & Qatar.

Thry have not yet issued any apology. And they are not interested for paying for the reconstruction either.

Where are the states that broke it now that it needs to be fixed ?
We are slaves.

“Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants – but debt is the money of slaves
 

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During the last week, approximately 160 Syrian refugees have started arriving Ireland. That means that we've taken approx. 500 since we made a commitment to take 4,000 refugees over a year ago. This is out of a total of about 4.8m people who have been displaced by the civil war.

We are a wealthy county, and by any objective measure, this is a paltry response to the largest humanitarian crisis Europe has faced since the end of the second World War.

What is therefore surprising is the total lack of concern shown by the parties of the so-called Left on this issue. While there was some comment on the issue earlier in the year, prior to the issue of homelessness bubbling to the top of the political agenda, nobody from SF, PBP or AAA has issued a statement in recent months criticising the Government's response.

This is particularly noteworthy given that Katerine Zapone and Frances Fitzgerald were in Greece this week making political hay out of their efforts to accommodate displaced Syrian families.

This silence obviously arises from party operatives having tested the water and detecting a distinct ambivalence towards helping refugees among their core support. Fair enough, but what does that say about the "new" Left in Ireland?

Aren't left wing politics supposed to embrace internationalism and solidarity for the oppressed regardless of nationality? Isn't this just another example of the "new" Left in Ireland being nothing more that a well-organised exercise in political opportunism?

Response to events in Aleppo ‘Shameful’ – Adams http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/42817


there was short debate in the Dail the other day see Paul Murphy https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2016-12-14a.245#g268

IAAWM /SWP marched to the Russia embassy STOP BOMBING SYRIA


of course this is another one of the unresearched when will you stop beating your wife threads


ps
there was notice of motion about the Yazidi / ISIS

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/thisweek/motions-2016/m071216b.pdf but it doesnt' seem to have been voted on
 

captain obvious

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Response to events in Aleppo ‘Shameful’ – Adams http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/42817


there was short debate in the Dail the other day see Paul Murphy https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2016-12-14a.245#g268

IAAWM /SWP marched to the Russia embassy STOP BOMBING SYRIA


of course this is another one of the unresearched when will you stop beating your wife threads


ps
there was notice of motion about the Yazidi / ISIS

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/thisweek/motions-2016/m071216b.pdf but it doesnt' seem to have been voted on
At least there was some reaction, not much though, and nothing from the Dail of note. Not surprising since it involves flying in the face of US and EU policy, which lets face it, is something we simply just don't do.
 

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We are slaves.

“Gold is the money of kings, silver is the money of gentlemen, barter is the money of peasants – but debt is the money of slaves.”
On that point, I posted an observation on the "We're so very equitable with wealth in this country and we are better than most in Europe" or some other such self-congratulatory hogwash based on an analysis from Credit Suisse (I think). Digging into their figures there was an astounding piece of data, that the bottom 10% in wealth distribution in this country have -3.1% of the total wealth (which I presume is debt measured as wealth or lack thereof).

The thing is, and something nobody even batted an eyelid on the thread was, we are third in that table (behind Finland and Sweden I think), with an EU average of something like -0.1%, and way worse than averages for Africa, Latin America and India.
 

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I want our elected Dail members to put a stop to the importation of these people. We have no legal or moral obligation to them. We have an epidemic of homeless people and an increasing number of people being priced out of the private rental housing market. This nonsense of bringing in thousands of benefit tourists who will jump the housing queue, jump the hospital waiting lists and jump the line of kids waiting for school places needs to stop. Irish kids are going to suffer when teachers are lost because the money needs to be found to teach these kids how to speak English.
 

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The war is Syria is pretty much over now that the jihadists and terrorists have been driven from Aleppo. Why do we need to take any? I support our government sending humanitarian aid to Syria and to the camps in neighbouring countries, but it's illogical to settle people from Syria in Ireland. Firstly, we have no spare housing and our health service is a mess. Secondly, Ireland needs to be very careful about taking in large numbers of people from Islamic and other backwards cultures. Do we really want Ireland to have a critical mass of Muslims who will begin making political demands and attempt to enforce their culture on local communities as they do in parts of Britain? Thirdly, as I already said, the most effective way to help refugees is to send humanitarian aid to the camps. This is 20 times more cost effective than settling them in a country thousands of kilometers away.
 

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Response to events in Aleppo ‘Shameful’ – Adams http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/42817


there was short debate in the Dail the other day see Paul Murphy https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2016-12-14a.245#g268

IAAWM /SWP marched to the Russia embassy STOP BOMBING SYRIA


of course this is another one of the unresearched when will you stop beating your wife threads


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there was notice of motion about the Yazidi / ISIS

http://www.oireachtas.ie/documents/thisweek/motions-2016/m071216b.pdf but it doesnt' seem to have been voted on
All of this is commentary on the situation in Syria itself. There has been no comment on the State's response to the refugee crisis, which is an entirely different matter.

Show me one comment from any SF/PBP/AAA representative in the last 3 months which states the the State should be taking in more refugees.
 

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Bringing Syrians over here is a scandalous waste of money. For every Syrian put up over here the money could have been used to put up ten times or more Syrians in that region of the world.
This policy of admitting Syrians is nothing more than virtue signalling at national level, it is providing minuscule assistance to the millions of refugees in the region and is squandering the money that is available to assist in the relief of the Syrian refugee crisis.
Just because you want that to be true, doesn't mean it is.
 

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We can't lose sight that these are after all human beings, not abstract numbers or cattle.

However just taking a bunch of them in without any serious plan is just asking for trouble. And if there is a plan, it needs to be a coordinated plan at European level with short term, medium and long-term objectives.

I don't think there is any such thing in place. Is there - maybe somebody could comment ?
 

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We can't lose sight that these are after all human beings, not abstract numbers or cattle.

However just taking a bunch of them in without any serious plan is just asking for trouble. And if there is a plan, it needs to be a coordinated plan at European level with short term, medium and long-term objectives.

I don't think there is any such thing in place. Is there - maybe somebody could comment ?
There is a plan, both at national and EU level.

The reason it has taken so long to get these people on Irish soil is because the plan is being followed.

Your point about these people being human is key. Morality should be a function of need, not nationality.
 

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During the last week, approximately 160 Syrian refugees have started arriving Ireland. That means that we've taken approx. 500 since we made a commitment to take 4,000 refugees over a year ago. This is out of a total of about 4.8m people who have been displaced by the civil war.

We are a wealthy county, and by any objective measure, this is a paltry response to the largest humanitarian crisis Europe has faced since the end of the second World War.

What is therefore surprising is the total lack of concern shown by the parties of the so-called Left on this issue. While there was some comment on the issue earlier in the year, prior to the issue of homelessness bubbling to the top of the political agenda, nobody from SF, PBP or AAA has issued a statement in recent months criticising the Government's response.

This is particularly noteworthy given that Katerine Zapone and Frances Fitzgerald were in Greece this week making political hay out of their efforts to accommodate displaced Syrian families.

This silence obviously arises from party operatives having tested the water and detecting a distinct ambivalence towards helping refugees among their core support. Fair enough, but what does that say about the "new" Left in Ireland?

Aren't left wing politics supposed to embrace internationalism and solidarity for the oppressed regardless of nationality? Isn't this just another example of the "new" Left in Ireland being nothing more that a well-organised exercise in political opportunism?
Well I have certainly heard Ruth Coppinger publicly state that she supports 4,000 coming in
 


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