Our Naval Strategy in the Med - Plain Sailing or all at Sea...?

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Our Naval Strategy in the Med - Plain Sailing or all at Sea...?

Yes folks its that time of the year again as the men & women of the Irish Naval Service depart for the Mediterranean once again to do their bit to ....

Well up to now to fish illegal immigrants out of the water and ship them to Europe.

But this Season there is a Sea Change and they will be part of Operation Sophia

The naval vessel LÉ Samuel Beckett has left for the Mediterranean to take part in an EU operation to disrupt human trafficking and smuggling networks there.
A crew of 54 members of the Defence Forces is taking part in Operation Sophia.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0415/954631-le-samuel-beckett-cork/

Operation Sophia.
Operation Sophia's mission is to undertake systematic efforts to identify, capture and dispose of vessels and enabling assets used or suspected of being used by migrant smugglers or traffickers, in order to contribute to wider EU efforts to disrupt the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks in the Southern Central Mediterranean and prevent the further loss of life at sea.

https://www.facebook.com/DefenceForces

I do hope that this year they and their European partners play a more robust role in seeking out the People Smugglers lairs and destroying their vessels

- and returning to shore those illegals caught in the act...
 


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If you believed rte's reporting, it's the exact same "humanitarian" mission as previously, uncomfortable reporting for rte no doubt given there previous form on this one and indeed the amount of their own (agenda pumpers) " journalists" that made this their cause celebre.
 

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I heard we're going to surprise everyone and invade Gibraltar.
 

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Our Naval Strategy in the Med - Plain Sailing or all at Sea...?

Yes folks its that time of the year again as the men & women of the Irish Naval Service depart for the Mediterranean once again to do their bit to ....

Well up to now to fish illegal immigrants out of the water and ship them to Europe.

But this Season there is a Sea Change and they will be part of Operation Sophia

The naval vessel LÉ Samuel Beckett has left for the Mediterranean to take part in an EU operation to disrupt human trafficking and smuggling networks there.
A crew of 54 members of the Defence Forces is taking part in Operation Sophia.

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2018/0415/954631-le-samuel-beckett-cork/

Operation Sophia.
Operation Sophia's mission is to undertake systematic efforts to identify, capture and dispose of vessels and enabling assets used or suspected of being used by migrant smugglers or traffickers, in order to contribute to wider EU efforts to disrupt the business model of human smuggling and trafficking networks in the Southern Central Mediterranean and prevent the further loss of life at sea.

https://www.facebook.com/DefenceForces

I do hope that this year they and their European partners play a more robust role in seeking out the People Smugglers lairs and destroying their vessels

- and returning to shore those illegals caught in the act...
The NS is there to protect our fisheries & our coast. Not to send (?) €50 million worth of naval vessel to the Med.
If the Italians assign a CG vessel to Operation Sophia, it is 2% of their fleet, for us it is 20%.

Virtue signalling..
 

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Even if the mission hadn't changed, it seems doubtful that the Irish Navy would be allowed unload the human cargo in Italy as they were doing before. Govt. there is somewhat chaotic now, partly as a result of the migrant crisis.

Looking forward to hearing that the LE Samuel Beckett has sunk a few boats with their big gun. Not holding my breath while waiting for it though.
 

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I do hope that this year they and their European partners play a more robust role in seeking out the People Smugglers lairs and destroying their vessels

- and returning to shore those illegals caught in the act...

If they can't take people off boats and set them down on a nearby beach, they're not much of a navy. Maybe the RNLI would be handier for the job?
 

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[video=youtube;gKiK_mzj78M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKiK_mzj78M[/video]
 

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don't see how anyone is treating this as a change, we moved to Sophia with the Niamh tour, so it's just more of what we already are part of. As for the use of the Navy, the Navy is there to do whatever they are tasked to do, just as the Army and Air Corps, there's no difference between a Navy deployment and an Army UN deployment.
 

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don't see how anyone is treating this as a change, we moved to Sophia with the Niamh tour, so it's just more of what we already are part of.
LE Niamh only went out last October and came back in December, so it was outside the main migration season.
Lieutenant Commander Stuart Armstrong said he and the crew were very proud of how they, and the ship, had performed as part of their first European Common Security & Defence Policy mission.

The crew rescued 613 people, including 164 children, but the emphasis was on surveillance and intelligence gathering on smugglers in order to try to disrupt trafficking networks in the Mediterranean and prevent further loss of life at sea.
They don't seem to have interrupted any people trafficking, they only contributed to it. Maybe they hadn't quite got the message at that stage that things have changed.
 

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LE Niamh only went out last October and came back in December, so it was outside the main migration season. They don't seem to have interrupted any people trafficking, they only contributed to it. Maybe they hadn't quite got the message at that stage that things have changed.
The obvious question is what did they do with the 613 people 'rescued'. Were they returned whence they came as part of the smuggling-disruption mission or were they passed on to the Italians to look after as previously? Answers on a postcard please.....
 

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a ship full of civil servants dealing with boatloads of men. What has the world come to ?
 

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Hopefully they will return home safe and sound, unslighted by the bigots and racists that, unfortunately, they have to acknowledge as fellow irishmen.
 

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Full astern! It was amusing to hear RTE report the complete about turn as if it was a continuation of last year's policy. Now the Naval Service is tasked with stopping and sinking refugee boats (presumably after retrurning the refugees to the shore of departure) whereas last year they were helping them get to Europe.

RTE is now using the new terminology. These are now people-smuggling operations and not refugees fleeing war-torn Pakistan or Nigeria.
 

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Hopefully they will return home safe and sound, unslighted by the bigots and racists that, unfortunately, they have to acknowledge as fellow irishmen.
Navies are not there to be nice but to defend their country as best they can.

The "Armada" in the term Spanish Armada meant "Armed" == trained prepared to use deadly force if necessary.
 

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Full astern! It was amusing to hear RTE report the complete about turn as if it was a continuation of last year's policy. Now the Naval Service is tasked with stopping and sinking refugee boats (presumably after retrurning the refugees to the shore of departure) whereas last year they were helping them get to Europe.

RTE is now using the new terminology. These are now people-smuggling operations and not refugees fleeing war-torn Pakistan or Nigeria.
Sounds like the scene in Full Metal Jacket where Lockhart is advising Joker and the other army reporters of the new terminology and importance of spinning the story to the target audience.

(apols to those not familiar)
 

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The success of their mission should be judged on the number of people smugglers they capture and deliver to The Hague's UNICJ.
Or preferably, throw overboard in their undies with a heavy weight tied to their big toe.
 

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Hopefully they will return home safe and sound, unslighted by the bigots and racists that, unfortunately, they have to acknowledge as fellow irishmen.
says the guy who has ZERO experience of boatloads of third worlders living on his street for free for the rest of their lives,

When the race card players come out we all know the facts such as the

The cost of all this ,
The futility of all this as these Countries double their population in a generation
The criminal gangs behind this and what they do to these poor people
The actual Cause of all this (Obama and Hilary) taking out Gaddafi and leaving chaos in the aftermath
The smug radical left as clueless as ever ignoring the practicalities of trying to house hundreds of thousands of
un-educated men from the Sub-Sahara, Pakistan and beyond and the impact on society as there are no jobs and young people from the EU trying to get on the housing ladder,,

It ain't racism you spoofer , its reality,,
 

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Full astern! It was amusing to hear RTE report the complete about turn as if it was a continuation of last year's policy. Now the Naval Service is tasked with stopping and sinking refugee boats (presumably after retrurning the refugees to the shore of departure) whereas last year they were helping them get to Europe.

RTE is now using the new terminology. These are now people-smuggling operations and not refugees fleeing war-torn Pakistan or Nigeria.
stopping and sinking refugee boats (presumably after retrurning the refugees to the shore of departure) whereas last year they were helping them get to Europe.
Yeah. Poor italy is bursting at the seams.
Have you not noticed though that the smugglers us blow up dinghies... with an outboard motor... so they are pretty cheap and replaceable once the Europeans seize them. The outboard motor may be the most expensive part. It's not like seizing a wooden ship or that.
 


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