P. Tóibin quits SF.

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You're so single issue focused you don't get it, only a small fraction of your 33% who voted against abortion see it as an overriding existential issue that there should even be a party for it. Any such party you're envisaging would only be as successful as Renua.

As for SF, Peadar might have gone against party policy, but choosing to let a single issue disagreement be a reason to lose such a star performer is utter stupidity on the parties part.

But hey just like old Labour, SF's new Labour is all about petty grievances when someone dares upstage their betters.
That's where you are very wrong. That same 33% has been consistent in our opposition to the Liberal Agenda. Up until now, many had thought that FF and FG were socially conservative parties. New it's clear that they have rejected traditional Irish family values.
 


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And one who wants to keep the furriners out too, working class or not! Likely to be more votes in that BTW than your favourite topic.
Yes, mass immigration lowers wages and increases rents and home prices. You don't need a Noble Prize in economics to work that one out.
 

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That's where you are very wrong. That same 33% has been consistent in our opposition to the Liberal Agenda. Up until now, many had thought that FF and FG were socially conservative parties. New it's clear that they have rejected traditional Irish family values.
It's not an election issue and Renua have shown how much interest there is in it. Education, housing , health, taxes are the election staples.
 

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It's not an election issue and Renua have shown how much interest there is in it. Education, housing , health, taxes are the election staples.
Tóibín is excellent on all those issues. To be Pro Life means creating the social conditions where children can be safe from homelessness and poverty. That excludes FF and FG.
 

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Toibin knows SF is sinking ship. He just raided the larder and took the Party's entire supply of integrity with him.
 

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One of the most well spoken members of the party in recent years, and no doubt a reason that SF grew so much in their formative years since 08. The parties disconnect from it's own continues, new Labour seems to be SF's fate now. Roll on the trays of smoked salmon and shrimp for Ireland's newest middle class party.
This about abortion and nothing but abortion, ffs. Though it's just possible he's an incorrigibe homophobe too.
 

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I'd have taught that on the basis of the exit poll that was taken after the Repeal referendum that there is already a party that would prosper from Tobin's economic understanding and where many of its supporters share his anti choice views

It's Fianna Fail.
 

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Toibin knows SF is sinking ship. He just raided the larder and took the Party's entire supply of integrity with him.
What integrity? He's a shinner who joined SF at a time when hero worship of garda killers was de rigeur. Very odd double standard there. Supporting the killing a 12 week gestational foetus is wrong, but supporting the riddling a couple of gardai with bullets shows integrity? G'way outta that! :rolleyes2:
 

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Tóibín is excellent on all those issues. To be Pro Life means creating the social conditions where children can be safe from homelessness and poverty. That excludes FF and FG.
He may be but he's now an independent who will probably lose up to half of that SF vote especially if they run someone against him. Creigton was considered quality too and a good FG vote getter but not a good Lucinda/Renua/Pro Life vote getter. He may get in, he may not. It all depends on what the rest of them do with the "opportunity", although as pointed out already the top three were miles ahead of the rest in 2016.
 

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That's where you are very wrong. That same 33% has been consistent in our opposition to the Liberal Agenda. Up until now, many had thought that FF and FG were socially conservative parties. New it's clear that they have rejected traditional Irish family values.
Though back in the day, that 33% used to be 66%. Consistently falling in numbers in your opposition to the "Liberal Agenda".
 

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He may be but he's now an independent who will probably lose up to half of that SF vote especially if they run someone against him. Creigton was considered quality too and a good FG vote getter but not a good Lucinda/Renua/Pro Life vote getter. He may get in, he may not. It all depends on what the rest of them do with the "opportunity".
He's cut his own political throat, and he might even be sensible enough to know it.
 

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He's cut his own political throat, and he might even be sensible enough to know it.
Yeah career-wise but could still limp in. Butler FG, 4th in 2016, was on just under 12% and might hope he could regain his seat.
 

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Though back in the day, that 33% used to be 66%. Consistently falling in numbers in your opposition to the "Liberal Agenda".
That 33% is the rock solid anti-Liberal Resistance. And the tide has turned in our favour in the more advanced countries.
 

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So losing good TDS, crushed in the presidential election, stagnant in the polls. It’s not going great for MLD right now is it?

The whipped abortion vote has gained them nothing and lost them votes and a TD. Lose/Lose stuff.
 

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What integrity? He's a shinner who joined SF at a time when hero worship of garda killers was de rigeur. Very odd double standard there. Supporting the killing a 12 week gestational foetus is wrong, but supporting the riddling a couple of gardai with bullets shows integrity? G'way outta that! :rolleyes2:
Probort cares for human life.:tongue:
 

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So losing good TDS, crushed in the presidential election, stagnant in the polls. It’s not going great for MLD right now is it?

The whipped abortion vote has gained them nothing and lost them votes and a TD. Lose/Lose stuff.
Yep!

Nose...spite...face.
 


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