Paedophile rights- Why not?


Should paedophilia be decriminalised?


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Lilac

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We have some very nice liberal people here on politics.ie who call for an unlimited personal freedom of choice!
Gay marriage- yeah, why not?
Polygamy- yeah, why not?

Question: What about paedophile rights?

C'mon, we are talking about human rights and endless liberalism and paedophiles are "only" human beings, who are attracted to children- the younger and full of life, the better!
Don't they deserve the same rights as everyone else? :shock:
 

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You're pushing the idea a bit much here. I can see your point, but the difference here is consent. When two homosexual people want to get married they are both of the age of majority and have a right to choose their own future.
If a couple both consent to a polygamous realtionship, the same thing applies.
When a person of the age of majority chooses to have sex or other such things with someone under the age of 16, they are not doing it with the consent of a legally recognised adult. Even if the child wants it to happen, the State has deemed that they are not of a sufficient age to judge whether or not this relationship is suitable.
 

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Also, your poll is flawed. To be a paedophile is not a criminal act, acting upon those desires is.
 

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You don't understand Liberalism...can do as you like as long as you are not harming others.
I'll grant you your rant as I just had mine on the thread we were talking on.

Howevr there are people out there who do advocate it

To state the obvious:

children (ie under 16) are unable to understand the physical, emotional, and social consequences of sexual acts with a 50 year old (sick face) and are therefore unable to give informed consent;

sexual acts can involve coercion and abuse of power, which can break bonds of trust;

sexual acts can, for girls at puberty, lead to pregnancy, a condition for which they may well be unprepared;
 

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Acting on it includes looking at child porn as it was illegally obtained.
 

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Lilac said:
Pidge said:
Also, your poll is flawed. To be a paedophile is not a criminal act, acting upon those desires is.
To be a phaedophile is not a criminal act?
Are you sure?
And why do they land in prison then?
Oh, its only a technical point. A paedophile is "an adult who is sexually attracted to children". That isn't illegal, or in my view wrong. Lots of people probably have these feeling, are ashamed and restrain themselves from acting on it in any way. Whats the problem with that?
 

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You don't understand Liberalism...can do as you like as long as you are not harming others.
Excellent argument!
But many paedophiles don't even realize that they are harming those children and cry in the court: "But I didn't want to do any harm to them- I would never hurt them!"
And very young children don't even know what it's about: They are recieving toys and their paedophile abusers treat them very good!
Some paedophiles don't even practise sexual acts on children: for instance, watching them, bathing them, etc. erects them!
 

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Well ignorance is not a defence in court.
If they have these feelings there are other outlets (thank god for the net) they don't need to actually act on them, if you want sex with someone they have to consent, and even if the child (who may reallly be say 15) says yes they are not mature enough to understand that decision.
 

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Oh, its only a technical point. A paedophile is "an adult who is sexually attracted to children".
Being attracted to children is criminal.
A man, who was watching little boys in the swimming pool from the hedge masturbating, was brought to court in sweden, I read in the newspaper few months ago!
 

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Lilac said:
You don't understand Liberalism...can do as you like as long as you are not harming others.
Excellent argument!
But many paedophiles don't even realize that they are harming those children and cry in the court: "But I didn't want to do any harm to them- I would never hurt them!"
And very young children don't even know what it's about: They are recieving toys and their paedophile abusers treat them very good!
Some paedophiles don't even practise sexual acts on children: for instance, watching them, bathing them, etc. erects them!
I would regard that as a sexual act. The point is that whatever their opinion, they are harming the children and thats what the law states.
The only change in the law I would make is for harshersentencing of active paedophiles and perhaps some kind of free counselling service for people who are fighting the desires.
 

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I would not send people to jail for feelings.
Only if they acted on them

Acting on them being:
-Raping or physically abusing them
-Looking at child porn (due to the way it's obtained and thus their watchin it is providing a demand which makes people produce it )
-Or other indecent activity (like watchin them from a hedge and masterbating)
 

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Should paedophiles be decriminalised? Question: What about paedophile rights?
What? do you mean 'should sex with children under the age of 17 be decriminalised'? Because paedophiles have the exact same rights as the rest of us (i.e. freedom of assembly, property rights, right to silence, etc)

Who says that?
Maybe some children even enjoy it?
The Law says that. Yes some children may enjoy it (say a 16 year girl in love with her 16 year old long term boyfriend), but the Law takes a cautious approach and bans all such activity on the grounds that some children don't have the emotional maturity to fully appreciate what they are consenting to and don't have the maturity to refuse to give consent to an adult who is emotionally co-ercing them, so the Law bans all such activity ('better safe than sorry') but rarely prosecutes cases where the child or the child's parents doesn't make a complaint (i.e two 16 year olds in a long term relationship)
 

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Lets not get underage sex confused with pedo's here.
 

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As far as I'm concerned paedohillia is the worst crime possible,almost worse than murder.To harm innocent children in that way is wrong and any other way of looking at this subject is dangerous.

Call me blinkered or conservative I don't care.Sure these people cannot help how they feel or the illness that they have but think of the damage done to so many children by them.
 

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badinage said:
Should paedophiles be decriminalised? Question: What about paedophile rights?
What? do you mean 'should sex with children under the age of 17 be decriminalised'? Because paedophiles have the exact same rights as the rest of us (i.e. freedom of assembly, property rights, right to silence, etc)

[quote:2yuzndqi]Who says that?
Maybe some children even enjoy it?
The Law says that. Yes some children may enjoy it (say a 16 year girl in love with her 16 year old long term boyfriend), but the Law takes a cautious approach and bans all such activity on the grounds that some children don't have the emotional maturity to fully appreciate what they are consenting to and don't have the maturity to refuse to give consent to an adult who is emotionally co-ercing them, so the Law bans all such activity ('better safe than sorry') but rarely prosecutes cases where the child or the child's parents doesn't make a complaint (i.e two 16 year olds in a long term relationship)[/quote:2yuzndqi]
You can have sex when you're sixteen and can get msrried with parental consent
 

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Yeah I think that guy in Sweden was charged for mastrubating in public. Had he been watching Grannies in the pool I would image he would have also been arrested.

Its not a crime to think about stealing. However it is crime to steal. Same logic applies to paedophiala.
 
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