Pakistani "marriage of convenience" scam uncovered

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According to today's Sunday Indo, a scam has been uncovered whereby Latvian women are being paid €10,000 to come to Ireland and marry Pakistani men, who can then seek residency in Ireland on the basis of being born to an EU citizen. Surely this justifies the original aim of the Immigration, Residency and Protection Bill for tighter controls on marriages to non-EU nationals, but which the previous minister Brian Lenihan appeared to back down on. Even the Latvian authorities are reportedly amazed that we let this happen:

POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.

Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.

One advert in Latvia stated: "Young unmarried women wanted. Women who would agree to help Indian guys in Dublin with registering marriage on paper (fictitious marriage, popular in Dublin nowadays).

"Everything will be covered, plus you get €1,000, plus room rent covered, plus work offered, plus pocket money, plus course (professional, language) plus other benefits. Also plane ticket costs will be covered. All this is legal!."

Although the advert claimed that "Indian" men were involved, investigations into such marriages by the Garda National Bureau of Investigation (GNIB) found that those involved are all from Pakistan.

A journalist from Latvian newspaper Diena who posed as a possible bride, replied by email to the advert and received a reply stating: "When arriving in Ireland this marriage is not registered right away but only after 3-6 months not earlier, because in Ireland all 'paper formalities' take very long time and after you have submitted an application you must wait for another 3-6 months until that marriage.

"A fictitious marriage is registered, it is a marriage on paper. With this the Indian guy may stay in the territory of Ireland legally because he has registered his marriage with EU citizen. This allows him to stay in Ireland permanently.

"It does not cost anything for the person who is helping, also stamps are not put in passports any more, passport stays clean. Then this marriage is registered in local Irish computer, not in Latvian register. Marriage agreement/ contract is signed and cancelled after a year. No obligations from both sides. This is just a formality. And it is legal process. At present it is a rather popular thing in Ireland (also in other countries eg England, Switzerland and others." the reply said.

"Living conditions are the following -- living in apartments that are shared with other workers. Salary is around €1,500 to €2,000 per month, besides all money stays in your pocket as you do not have to pay for anything (unlike other workers who spend about half of their salary on room, rent, transport etc)," the replying email stated. Last year GNIB found that 500 of 3,000 applications by non-Irish married couples to live here were from failed asylum seekers and that a significant number of others involved arranged marriages with young women from the Baltic states who had replied to the adverts. Gardai also found that 400 of the applications to reside in Ireland based on marriage to an EU citizen were from Pakistanis.

The Department of Justice's Immigration department last year refused 279 of these applicants leave to remain here despite their claims of rights of residence because of marriage to an EU citizen. Immigration "rights" groups last year criticised the Department's decision to refuse leave to some of these men to remain here.

The Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.

Last month, Latvian police said that they have been informed by the garda that such "marriages" are "not a crime" in Ireland........
 


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Conor Lenihan is a Puppet on a String to these groups - he caves in every time.

Has he ever sat down with any group that does not favour Mass immigration or cares a fig for what happens to us? :(

As for the specific issue here - doesn't surprise me one bit! :roll:
 

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Sweet jesus, immigration is over. People are not coming here in their droves, in fact they are leaving.

What the f*ck is this scaremongering all about?
 

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Sligoboy said:
Sweet jesus, immigration is over. People are not coming here in their droves, in fact they are leaving.

What the f*ck is this scaremongering all about?
Stop talking rubbish. There is no statistical evidence of that. We also have a responsibility to the rest of the EU not to allow Ireland to become a back door to their territories as with the Citizenship Tourism loophole.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
According to today's Sunday Indo, a scam has been uncovered whereby Latvian women are being paid €10,000 to come to Ireland and marry Pakistani men, who can then seek residency in Ireland on the basis of being born to an EU citizen. Surely this justifies the original aim of the Immigration, Residency and Protection Bill for tighter controls on marriages to non-EU nationals, but which the previous minister Brian Lenihan appeared to back down on. Even the Latvian authorities are reportedly amazed that we let this happen:

POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.

Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.

One advert in Latvia stated: "Young unmarried women wanted. Women who would agree to help Indian guys in Dublin with registering marriage on paper (fictitious marriage, popular in Dublin nowadays).

"Everything will be covered, plus you get €1,000, plus room rent covered, plus work offered, plus pocket money, plus course (professional, language) plus other benefits. Also plane ticket costs will be covered. All this is legal!."

Although the advert claimed that "Indian" men were involved, investigations into such marriages by the Garda National Bureau of Investigation (GNIB) found that those involved are all from Pakistan.

A journalist from Latvian newspaper Diena who posed as a possible bride, replied by email to the advert and received a reply stating: "When arriving in Ireland this marriage is not registered right away but only after 3-6 months not earlier, because in Ireland all 'paper formalities' take very long time and after you have submitted an application you must wait for another 3-6 months until that marriage.

"A fictitious marriage is registered, it is a marriage on paper. With this the Indian guy may stay in the territory of Ireland legally because he has registered his marriage with EU citizen. This allows him to stay in Ireland permanently.

"It does not cost anything for the person who is helping, also stamps are not put in passports any more, passport stays clean. Then this marriage is registered in local Irish computer, not in Latvian register. Marriage agreement/ contract is signed and cancelled after a year. No obligations from both sides. This is just a formality. And it is legal process. At present it is a rather popular thing in Ireland (also in other countries eg England, Switzerland and others." the reply said.

"Living conditions are the following -- living in apartments that are shared with other workers. Salary is around €1,500 to €2,000 per month, besides all money stays in your pocket as you do not have to pay for anything (unlike other workers who spend about half of their salary on room, rent, transport etc)," the replying email stated. Last year GNIB found that 500 of 3,000 applications by non-Irish married couples to live here were from failed asylum seekers and that a significant number of others involved arranged marriages with young women from the Baltic states who had replied to the adverts. Gardai also found that 400 of the applications to reside in Ireland based on marriage to an EU citizen were from Pakistanis.

The Department of Justice's Immigration department last year refused 279 of these applicants leave to remain here despite their claims of rights of residence because of marriage to an EU citizen. Immigration "rights" groups last year criticised the Department's decision to refuse leave to some of these men to remain here.

The Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.

Last month, Latvian police said that they have been informed by the garda that such "marriages" are "not a crime" in Ireland........
The Sindo and this type of racist stuff go hand in hand. What is it that you think we have that is so precious that we ought not to share it?
 

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Sligoboy said:
Sweet jesus, immigration is over. People are not coming here in their droves, in fact they are leaving.

What the f*ck is this scaremongering all about?
Over 30,000 more immigrants arrived here in the 1st three months of 2008 while 28,000 people lost their jobs - what the f.cuk are you on about? :roll:
 

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hopi watcher said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
According to today's Sunday Indo, a scam has been uncovered whereby Latvian women are being paid €10,000 to come to Ireland and marry Pakistani men, who can then seek residency in Ireland on the basis of being born to an EU citizen. Surely this justifies the original aim of the Immigration, Residency and Protection Bill for tighter controls on marriages to non-EU nationals, but which the previous minister Brian Lenihan appeared to back down on. Even the Latvian authorities are reportedly amazed that we let this happen:

POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.

Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.

One advert in Latvia stated: "Young unmarried women wanted. Women who would agree to help Indian guys in Dublin with registering marriage on paper (fictitious marriage, popular in Dublin nowadays).

"Everything will be covered, plus you get €1,000, plus room rent covered, plus work offered, plus pocket money, plus course (professional, language) plus other benefits. Also plane ticket costs will be covered. All this is legal!."

Although the advert claimed that "Indian" men were involved, investigations into such marriages by the Garda National Bureau of Investigation (GNIB) found that those involved are all from Pakistan.

A journalist from Latvian newspaper Diena who posed as a possible bride, replied by email to the advert and received a reply stating: "When arriving in Ireland this marriage is not registered right away but only after 3-6 months not earlier, because in Ireland all 'paper formalities' take very long time and after you have submitted an application you must wait for another 3-6 months until that marriage.

"A fictitious marriage is registered, it is a marriage on paper. With this the Indian guy may stay in the territory of Ireland legally because he has registered his marriage with EU citizen. This allows him to stay in Ireland permanently.

"It does not cost anything for the person who is helping, also stamps are not put in passports any more, passport stays clean. Then this marriage is registered in local Irish computer, not in Latvian register. Marriage agreement/ contract is signed and cancelled after a year. No obligations from both sides. This is just a formality. And it is legal process. At present it is a rather popular thing in Ireland (also in other countries eg England, Switzerland and others." the reply said.

"Living conditions are the following -- living in apartments that are shared with other workers. Salary is around €1,500 to €2,000 per month, besides all money stays in your pocket as you do not have to pay for anything (unlike other workers who spend about half of their salary on room, rent, transport etc)," the replying email stated. Last year GNIB found that 500 of 3,000 applications by non-Irish married couples to live here were from failed asylum seekers and that a significant number of others involved arranged marriages with young women from the Baltic states who had replied to the adverts. Gardai also found that 400 of the applications to reside in Ireland based on marriage to an EU citizen were from Pakistanis.

The Department of Justice's Immigration department last year refused 279 of these applicants leave to remain here despite their claims of rights of residence because of marriage to an EU citizen. Immigration "rights" groups last year criticised the Department's decision to refuse leave to some of these men to remain here.

The Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.

Last month, Latvian police said that they have been informed by the garda that such "marriages" are "not a crime" in Ireland........
The Sindo and this type of racist stuff go hand in hand. What is it that you think we have that is so precious that we ought not to share it?
Well, why don't you lead by example. Those Pak bridegrooms are going to need somewhere to stay while they settle in. How many will you put up in your house/apartment?
 

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Catalpa said:
Sligoboy said:
Sweet jesus, immigration is over. People are not coming here in their droves, in fact they are leaving.

What the f*ck is this scaremongering all about?
Over 30,000 more immigrants arrived here in the 1st three months of 2008 while 28,000 people lost their jobs - what the f.cuk are you on about? :roll:
Really? Where did you pull that figure from?

What was the Figure for the first three months of 2002/3/4/5/6/7?

The corner has been turned, Ireland most certainly is not an attractive destination for immigrants anymore. Those who have come in the last 6-7 years are leaving.
 

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Well, why don't you lead by example. Those Pak bridegrooms are going to need somewhere to stay while they settle in. How many will you put up in your house/apartment?

More nonsense, what makes you think those Pak bridegrooms are need of any charity from anyone?
 

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twtone said:
hopi watcher said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
According to today's Sunday Indo, a scam has been uncovered whereby Latvian women are being paid €10,000 to come to Ireland and marry Pakistani men, who can then seek residency in Ireland on the basis of being born to an EU citizen. Surely this justifies the original aim of the Immigration, Residency and Protection Bill for tighter controls on marriages to non-EU nationals, but which the previous minister Brian Lenihan appeared to back down on. Even the Latvian authorities are reportedly amazed that we let this happen:

POOR, young Latvian women are being lured to Ireland with promises of up to €10,000 to "marry" illegal immigrants here, men mainly from Pakistan, most of whom are believed to have wives back in their home countries.

Adverts have been placed in Latvia and, it is believed other Baltic states, seeking women to come to Ireland to marry illegal immigrants over the past two years.

One advert in Latvia stated: "Young unmarried women wanted. Women who would agree to help Indian guys in Dublin with registering marriage on paper (fictitious marriage, popular in Dublin nowadays).

"Everything will be covered, plus you get €1,000, plus room rent covered, plus work offered, plus pocket money, plus course (professional, language) plus other benefits. Also plane ticket costs will be covered. All this is legal!."

Although the advert claimed that "Indian" men were involved, investigations into such marriages by the Garda National Bureau of Investigation (GNIB) found that those involved are all from Pakistan.

A journalist from Latvian newspaper Diena who posed as a possible bride, replied by email to the advert and received a reply stating: "When arriving in Ireland this marriage is not registered right away but only after 3-6 months not earlier, because in Ireland all 'paper formalities' take very long time and after you have submitted an application you must wait for another 3-6 months until that marriage.

"A fictitious marriage is registered, it is a marriage on paper. With this the Indian guy may stay in the territory of Ireland legally because he has registered his marriage with EU citizen. This allows him to stay in Ireland permanently.

"It does not cost anything for the person who is helping, also stamps are not put in passports any more, passport stays clean. Then this marriage is registered in local Irish computer, not in Latvian register. Marriage agreement/ contract is signed and cancelled after a year. No obligations from both sides. This is just a formality. And it is legal process. At present it is a rather popular thing in Ireland (also in other countries eg England, Switzerland and others." the reply said.

"Living conditions are the following -- living in apartments that are shared with other workers. Salary is around €1,500 to €2,000 per month, besides all money stays in your pocket as you do not have to pay for anything (unlike other workers who spend about half of their salary on room, rent, transport etc)," the replying email stated. Last year GNIB found that 500 of 3,000 applications by non-Irish married couples to live here were from failed asylum seekers and that a significant number of others involved arranged marriages with young women from the Baltic states who had replied to the adverts. Gardai also found that 400 of the applications to reside in Ireland based on marriage to an EU citizen were from Pakistanis.

The Department of Justice's Immigration department last year refused 279 of these applicants leave to remain here despite their claims of rights of residence because of marriage to an EU citizen. Immigration "rights" groups last year criticised the Department's decision to refuse leave to some of these men to remain here.

The Latvian authorities are apparently amazed at Ireland's lax controls over arranged or bogus marriages.

Last month, Latvian police said that they have been informed by the garda that such "marriages" are "not a crime" in Ireland........
The Sindo and this type of racist stuff go hand in hand. What is it that you think we have that is so precious that we ought not to share it?
Well, why don't you lead by example. Those Pak bridegrooms are going to need somewhere to stay while they settle in. How many will you put up in your house/apartment?
Why would I need to share my place with anyone-the country is awash with empty houses and apartments. A bit more immigration is what is needed to solve that little problem, don't you think?
 

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hopi watcher said:
The Sindo and this type of racist stuff go hand in hand. What is it that you think we have that is so precious that we ought not to share it?
It's not racism it's the truth. We have the most liberal asylum and immigration laws in Europe. Most of the others in Western Europe and certainly the US have detention centres. Post-911 - and especially with the growth of Al Qaida in Pakistan - we simply cannot afford to allow this kind of scam to continue.

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Why would I need to share my place with anyone-the country is awash with empty houses and apartments. A bit more immigration is what is needed to solve that little problem, don't you think?
Nonsense! The excess of supply is helping to bring down prices and make them more affordable.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Sligoboy said:
Sweet jesus, immigration is over. People are not coming here in their droves, in fact they are leaving.

What the f*ck is this scaremongering all about?
Stop talking rubbish. There is no statistical evidence of that. We also have a responsibility to the rest of the EU not to allow Ireland to become a back door to their territories as with the Citizenship Tourism loophole.


Jesus FT, as board clown you simply out do yourself sometimes, you should read a bit more

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ma ... mmigration
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
The Sindo and this type of racist stuff go hand in hand. What is it that you think we have that is so precious that we ought not to share it?
It's not racism it's the truth. We have the most liberal asylum and immigration laws in Europe. Most of the others in Western Europe and certainly the US have detention centres. Post-911 - and especially with the growth of Al Qaida in Pakistan - we simply cannot afford to allow this kind of scam to continue.
Why ever not. Is there a "rivers of blood" speech on the way? All of this scaremongering, Al Qaida etc, is racist at it's core. Go back to waffling on about Bertie and gives us a break.
 

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Nonsense! The excess of supply is helping to bring down prices and make them more affordable.
They wouldn't be becoming more affordable if the droves of immigration you claim is happening was actually happening to buy up the all the extra stock, now would they?

Do you actually read what you write?
 

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Sligoboy said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
Nonsense! The excess of supply is helping to bring down prices and make them more affordable.
They wouldn't be becoming more affordable if the droves of immigration you claim is happening was actually happening to buy up the all the extra stock, now would they?

Do you actually read what you write?
I'm tired of the PC brigade like you trying to limit debate. There is also the rental sector. And Conor Lenihan acknowledged in a recent article in the Irish Times that the CSO figures on number of immigrants is likely be a serious underestimate. Also PPS no.s cannot reflect the underground economy where people are paid under the counter.


The fact that in such a multi-ethnic country like the US, illegal-immigration has become a huge political issue, proves that calling for tighter controls is not racist.
Why ever not. Is there a "rivers of blood" speech on the way? All of this scaremongering, Al Qaida etc, is racist at it's core. Go back to waffling on about Bertie and gives us a break.
No there isn't such a speech on the way. Talking about Al Qaida is NOT racist. Look at the history of France, Britain, Spain etc. with immigration from the Muslim world. The London bombings, the Madrid bombings etc. You need to get real and stop playing the race-card.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Sligoboy said:
FutureTaoiseach said:
Nonsense! The excess of supply is helping to bring down prices and make them more affordable.
They wouldn't be becoming more affordable if the droves of immigration you claim is happening was actually happening to buy up the all the extra stock, now would they?

Do you actually read what you write?
I'm tired of the PC brigade like you trying to limit debate. There is also the rental sector. And Conor Lenihan acknowledged in a recent article in the Irish Times that the CSO figures on number of immigrants is likely be a serious underestimate. Also PPS no.s cannot reflect the underground economy where people are paid under the counter.

You are limiting the debate with your own stupidity.

The rental sector is bloody static at the moment. Property remains advertised for weeks if not months. Evidence if ever there was any needed that immigration is dwindling.

I'm not sure if this is this ties into your anti-Lisbonism or just some general paranoia about the dreaded Islamic threat to western civilisation but its still bogus and utter nonsense.
 

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I'm not sure if this is this ties into your anti-Lisbonism or just some general paranoia about the dreaded Islamic threat to western civilisation but its still bogus and utter nonsense.
If a 911 happened in Ireland I have a feeling your sentiments would be very different. There is a threat of Islamic terrorism - where have you been since 2001? That is not to tar all Muslims with the one brush, but it is a major problem today.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
I'm not sure if this is this ties into your anti-Lisbonism or just some general paranoia about the dreaded Islamic threat to western civilisation but its still bogus and utter nonsense.
If a 911 happened in Ireland I have a feeling your sentiments would be very different.
If if if blah blah blah, We are not the US and never ever will be.

Is this what you call debate?
 


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