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Pakistan's forgotten genocide in Bangladesh.


Shqiptar

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Most people, when they hear the word 'genocide' are inclined to think of the Holocaust, Turkish/Ottoman crimes against Armenians, the slaughter of Tutsis and moderate Hutus in Rwanda or the deeds of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.

One seems to be largely forgotten about although the numbers killed are comparable to nearly all of the above. In 1971, East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) was breaking away from West Pakistan and there is a lot of evidence that the Pakistan army committed dreadful atrocities against the Bangladeshi people.

After Indian and Pakistani independence in 1947, West Pakistan (now just Pakistan) and East Pakistan were one state albeit separated by some two and a half thousand kilometres of Indian territory. In reality there was little sense of nationhood and many West Pakistanis looked down on the "small and dark" Bengalis and were "embarrassed" to have them as compatriots. General Niazi who headed the Pakistani Forces in Bangladesh regarded it contemptuously as "a low lying land of low lying people".

Eventually, with Indian assistance, Bangladesh did break free but not before there was a bloodletting on a massive scale as the Pakistani army targeted doctors, intellectuals, the educated classes, students and anyone likely to form a core of resistance.

The total of 3 million killed might be an exaggeration and some commentators say it originated in a statement from the then Pakistani President, Yahya Khan who said of the Bangladeshis, "Kill three million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands". While most settle on a figure of 1.5m killed, the very lowest estimate seems to be about a half million slaughtered in 10 months of madness. Mass graves are still being found; accurate figures will never be known. If there is any evidence that can be undisputably neutral, it comes from US diplomatic staff appalled at the bloodletting and at the Nixon's administration's approach which was to avoid embarrassing Islamabad. See source 1 for the so-called "Blood Telegram".

This episode is of current interest because of recent events in Dhaka, the Bangladeshi capital, where the life sentence handed down to one Abdul Quader Mollah (a senior figure in the Jamaat-e-Islami party) for aforementioned crimes in 1971 has outraged ordinary Bangladeshis who wanted him condemned to death. In response, the parliament has amended a law so that it can appeal the apparent leniency of the sentence. One way or another, what with Pakistani indifference to what its army did, the scars of 1971 are still very raw.

Sources
1. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/Blood_telegram.png
2. Genocide Since 1945: Never Again? - SPIEGEL ONLINE
3. Shahbag Square - why we Pakistanis don't know and don't care
4. Bangladesh amends war crimes law, mulls banning Islamists | Reuters
 

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Please don't try saying anything about this to the general masses next time you are in Pakistan...

To them its mere propaganda to blacken their name and justifyIndian aggression...:evil:

I recall it at the time and the reports of massacres

It was'nt all one way though



Those who had collaborated with the Pakistani army were publicly killed.

HISTORY IN IMAGES: AMAZING PICTURES: Painful birth of Bangladesh 1971
 

Shqiptar

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Please don't try saying anything about this to the general masses next time you are in Pakistan...

To them its mere propaganda to blacken their name and justifyIndian aggression...:evil:

I recall it at the time and the reports of massacres

It was'nt all one way though



Those who had collaborated with the Pakistani army were publicly killed.

HISTORY IN IMAGES: AMAZING PICTURES: Painful birth of Bangladesh 1971
Yes, from reading around, I have come across stories of reprisals. In particular, there are accounts of acts of revenge against Urdu-speaking Moslem Biharis who would have moved from India to East Pakistan/Bangladesh in 1947 to avoid living in the newly independent, Hindu-dominated India. They were perceived to be collaborators with the Pakistani army and their crimes.
 

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Yes, from reading around, I have come across stories of reprisals. In particular, there are accounts of acts of revenge against Urdu-speaking Moslem Biharis who would have moved from India to East Pakistan/Bangladesh in 1947 to avoid living in the newly independent, Hindu-dominated India. They were perceived to be collaborators with the Pakistani army and their crimes.
The Biharis and the Bengalis hate each other!:evil:
 

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This episode is of current interest because of recent events in Dhaka, the Bangladeshi capital, where the life sentence handed down to one Abdul Quader Mollah (a senior figure in the Jamaat-e-Islami party) for aforementioned crimes in 1971 has outraged ordinary Bangladeshis who wanted him condemned to death. In response, the parliament has amended a law so that it can appeal the apparent leniency of the sentence. One way or another, what with Pakistani indifference to what its army did, the scars of 1971 are still very raw.
You'd pobably not be suprised to learn that his soul mate , one Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin is now gainfully employed by the NHS in Britain as a counsellor !!

Here. he established himself as a pillar of the Bangladeshi British Muslim establishment, the prime mover it its Jamaat-e-Islami directed Islamist politics, and – most shockingly – as the director of Muslim Spiritual Care Provision in the NHS and is also a chairman of the Multi-Faith Group for Healthcare Chaplaincy.
Oh what a rod the Brits are making for their own backs !!

In other religion of peace news - where jihad means inner struggle , a Bangladeshi blogger has been found with his throat cut - a signature of the Jammat- i- Islami faction.

Shahbagh protester killed - bdnews24.com

Ahmed Rajib Haider, 26, was an active participant of the ongoing nonstop demonstrations at Shahbagh demanding death sentences for all ‘war criminals’.

Officer-in-Charge of Pallabi Police Station Abdul Latif Sheikh told bdnews24.com that they recovered Shuvo’s body from Laalmatia’s Palashnagar around 9pm.

He said the face bore signs of slashes. A scarf was wrapped around the blogger’s throat, Sheikh added.
 

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The conflict between Pakistanis Hindus and Indians and Benghalis all has its roots in the Aryan migrations 1,500 BC. The dark skinned peoples of the Indian subcontinent arrived there probably not long after the last ice age and thrived. The Aryans came from Caucasus, moved down through the mountains of Iran and Afghanistan and conquered the Indus valley. Islam spread across the Middle East, Persia and into northern India in the first millennium AD. The Muslims had been trying to rule the north of subcontinent from the Indus to the Ganges ever since while the Hindu Indians have been trying to keep out.







The dark skinned Muslims of the Indian subcontinent and Bangladesh have a hybrid Islam that has elements of Hinduism.

The austere ideologically pure Muslims of the north east see it as alien as Hinduism itself.
 
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You'd pobably not be suprised to learn that his soul mate , one Chowdhury Mueen-Uddin is now gainfully employed by the NHS in Britain as a counsellor !!



Oh what a rod the Brits are making for their own backs !!

In other religion of peace news - where jihad means inner struggle , a Bangladeshi blogger has been found with his throat cut - a signature of the Jammat- i- Islami faction.

Shahbagh protester killed - bdnews24.com
Ouch, ouch ouch. But is there really an islamist bent to all this? After all, the conflict was Moslem Pakistani vs Moslem Bangladeshi.
 

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The conflict between Pakistanis Hindus and Indians and Benghalis all has its roots in the Aryan migrations 1,500 BC. The dark skinned peoples of the Indian subcontinent arrived there probably not long after the last ice age and thrived. The Aryans came from Caucasus, moved down through the mountains of Iran and Afghanistan and conquered the Indus valley. Islam spread across the Middle East, Persia and into northern India in the first millennium AD. The Muslims had been trying to rule the north of subcontinent from the Indus to the Ganges ever since while the Hindu Indians have been trying to keep out.







The dark skinned Muslims of the Indian subcontinent and Bangladesh have a hybrid Islam that has elements of Hinduism.

The austere ideologically pure Muslims of the north east see it as alien as Hinduism itself.
When you say north east, did you mean north west?

I was aware of theories drawing parallels between India's lower castes and the "pre-Aryan" indigenous population. I was also aware of how Islam offered a view of life and the universe which contained far more self-affirmation and hope than the rigid societal strata of Hinduism. However, I didn't know that Indian/Bangladeshi Islam was frowned upon as being less "orthodox".
 

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My friend came to me
With sadness in his eyes
He told me that he wanted help
Before his country dies

Although I couldn't feel the pain
I knew I had to try
Now I'm asking all of you
To help us save some lives

Lyrics from the George Harrison song Bangladesh. The message of the lyric is simple but it bears a strong appeal for saving millions of desperate people. A closer look at the language of the lyrics shows that George Harrison only talked of the plight of the common people. He did not say a word about the Liberation War or did not try to justify the cause of the Bengalis. He organised the first concert of its kind, by getting so many starrs of the time to donate their time to highlight what was happening in Bangladesh and to raise money to help them. Many people think Live Aid was the first 'aid' concept, but Concert For Bangladesh was. United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan said "George and his friends were pioneers".
 

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Ouch, ouch ouch. But is there really an islamist bent to all this? After all, the conflict was Moslem Pakistani vs Moslem Bangladeshi.
Jamaat - i - Islami has a definite islamist bent to it. The Bangladeshis had the full support of their Hindu population and the language question was very important too , with the majority of the population speaking Bengali rather than Urdu.
 

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General Niazi who headed the Pakistani Forces in Bangladesh regarded it contemptuously as "a low lying land of low lying people".
What an apt name!
 

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The conflict between Pakistanis Hindus and Indians and Benghalis all has its roots in the Aryan migrations 1,500 BC. The dark skinned peoples of the Indian subcontinent arrived there probably not long after the last ice age and thrived. The Aryans came from Caucasus, moved down through the mountains of Iran and Afghanistan and conquered the Indus valley. Islam spread across the Middle East, Persia and into northern India in the first millennium AD. The Muslims had been trying to rule the north of subcontinent from the Indus to the Ganges ever since while the Hindu Indians have been trying to keep out.


The dark skinned Muslims of the Indian subcontinent and Bangladesh have a hybrid Islam that has elements of Hinduism.
The austere ideologically pure Muslims of the north east see it as alien as Hinduism itself.
Bengalis have had a very large number of low caste people in their population Their first attempt to escape this was conversion to Buddhism , but as Hinduism absorbed Buddism by claiming that the Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu , so they found themselves at the bottom of the pile again. Their next attempt at escape was conversion to Islam.
 

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In other religion of peace news - where jihad means inner struggle , a Bangladeshi blogger has been found with his throat cut - a signature of the Jammat- i- Islami faction.


That Bangladeshi blogger that had his head hacked apart by the religion of peace was the second online activist to meet such a fate in just the last month.
 

Shqiptar

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My friend came to me
With sadness in his eyes
He told me that he wanted help
Before his country dies

Although I couldn't feel the pain
I knew I had to try
Now I'm asking all of you
To help us save some lives

Lyrics from the George Harrison song Bangladesh. The message of the lyric is simple but it bears a strong appeal for saving millions of desperate people. A closer look at the language of the lyrics shows that George Harrison only talked of the plight of the common people. He did not say a word about the Liberation War or did not try to justify the cause of the Bengalis. He organised the first concert of its kind, by getting so many starrs of the time to donate their time to highlight what was happening in Bangladesh and to raise money to help them. Many people think Live Aid was the first 'aid' concept, but Concert For Bangladesh was. United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan said "George and his friends were pioneers".
Interesting. So the rockers with a conscience thing has a longer pedigree than I'd hitherto believed.

The Pakistani army responded with a campaign of mass murder and mass rape, which shocked a 20th century that thought it had seen it all. George Harrison and Ravi Shankar, the Bonos of their day, organised benefit concerts at Madison Square Garden. The murder of Hindus and Christians, the flight of refugees and the chance to weaken Pakistan pushed Indira Gandhi into one of the finest actions of her murky career. She sent the Indian army to liberate the tortured land.
The agonies of Bangladesh come to London | Nick Cohen | Comment is free | The Observer
 
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