Palestinian families detained by IDF over photo of imprisoned children

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"Each year, Israel arrests, detains, and prosecutes in the military court system some 500 to 700 Palestinian children suspected of criminal offenses in the occupied West Bank, according to Defence for Children International/Palestine Section.

Israel is the only country that automatically prosecutes children in military courts.

In 2015, Human Rights Watch found that Israeli security forces used unnecessary force to arrest or detain Palestinian children as young as 11 in East Jerusalem and the West Bank, and have choked, beaten, threatened, and interrogated children in custody without parents or lawyers present."


https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/children-behind-bars
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Israel kidnaps and imprisons Palestinian children to demoralise and assure the obedience of their communites. They are effectively holding these children hostage; this of course looks bad for the Israeli government, and they are terrified of evidence of this tyranny reaching the international media, which is why the IDF recently recently detained a bus full of Palestinian families visiting their children in jail for possessing photographs of their children in captivity.

Palestinian families detained by Israeli forces over photo of imprisoned children – Mondoweiss

A bus full of Palestinian families was detained for two hours by Israeli occupation forces after a visit with their loved ones on Wednesday, 26 October in the Negev desert prison, on the grounds that one of the mothers of the prisoners had with her a photograph of her imprisoned children, reported Asra Media. The families were searched by occupation forces after leaving the visiting rooms to the buses organized by the International Committee of the Red Cross. The photograph was actually a picture of the woman’s children in Megiddo prison from years ago; nevertheless, the woman was interrogated about the photograph and accused of having secretly smuggled the photograph during her visit with her son. This continued until ICRC personnel confirmed that the photograph was in fact an old photo from Megiddo prison, finally securing the release of the visiting families from occupation forces. The detention of families, humiliating searches and interrogations comes within a systematic policy by Israeli occupation forces of denying and undermining family visits.

This is an indefensible injustice, and Israel must not be allowed to cover it up.
 
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“...The Palestinian child holding a stone, facing a tank... is that not the greatest message to the world, when that hero becomes a martyr...".
(Yassir Arafat, 2002)

Weaponizing children
Weaponizing of Pal Arab children goes on
Weaponizing children: Here's one way it's done in Jerusalem
Another Pal Arab boy with a knife died today - exactly as the PA intended
The unthinkable things Palestinian Arab society wants for and from its children


[video=youtube;SnLIzNGb9gI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnLIzNGb9gI[/video]

[video=youtube;kkNE__TiMZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNE__TiMZo[/video]

[video=youtube;4qqyyM2R5Ms]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qqyyM2R5Ms[/video]

[video=youtube;X38JLOks8Ho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X38JLOks8Ho[/video]


Yes, I agree, it is an "indefensible injustice". - Now are you going to do something to stop it, or are you just going to continue using what comes out of the above for your base propaganda purposes, to incite against the Jews of Israel. Drawing on the most blatant of old antisemitic libels.
 
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“...The Palestinian child holding a stone, facing a tank... is that not the greatest message to the world, when that hero becomes a martyr...".
(Yassir Arafat, 2002)

[video=youtube;kkNE__TiMZo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkNE__TiMZo[/video]

Are you saying that the mass imprisonment of children is justified by the fact that they throw stones?

It seems you will justify any crime Israel commits. Further, it seems you will use any means to justify those crimes, including lying; the video you posted was exposed long ago as a falsified translation.

Farfour asks Sanabel what she will do and, after a pause says "I'll shoot", MEMRI attributed the phrase said by Farfour, ("I'll shoot"), as the girl's reply while ignoring her actual reply ("I'm going to draw a picture").[72] Whitaker and others commented that a statement uttered by the same child, ("We're going to [or want to] resist"), had been given an unduly aggressive interpretation by MEMRI as ("We want to fight"). Also, where MEMRI translated the girl as saying the highly controversial remark ("We will annihilate the Jews"), Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is saying "Bitokhoona al-yahood", variously interpreted as, "The Jews [will] shoot us"[72] or "The Jews are killing us."[73]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute#Alleged_translation_inaccuracy
Moreover, the video was produced by MEMRI, an Israeli military propaganda organization:

The institute was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former Israeli military intelligence officer and Meyrav Wurmser, an Israeli-born American political scientist.

Former head of the CIA's counterintelligence unit, Vincent Cannistraro, said that MEMRI "are selective and act as propagandists for their political point of view, which is the extreme-right of Likud. They simply don't present the whole picture."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Media_Research_Institute#Accusations_of_bias
 

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Are you saying that the mass imprisonment of children is justified by the fact that they throw stones?
Watch the other videos and links. Listen again to Arafat. - I'm saying that the "stone-throwing" (and "knife-attacks") are not just random stone throwing kids but rather one element of a very carefully designed strategy to:

  • Foster international impressions of a Palestinian "David" against an Israeli "Goliath".
  • Find a way to circumvent the security measures that were introduced against the suicide bombings.
  • Force Israel to take new security measures that reinforce the "apartheid smear".
  • Cause maximum terror among Jewish citizens of Israel and the Palestinian territories.
  • Nurture Islamic inspired religiosity and sentiment in "martydom" operations, with an opus of religious rhetoric.
Hamas and PA strategy and tactics are based squarely on making the rest of the world condemn Israel, and kindling antisemitic archetypes that they know lie deep in mankind. Their death-cult has no compunction in sacrificing their children towards those ends.

Israel's is not just reacting to random stone-throwing. Watch the third video above "the knife and the message". That is what the Israeli reaction is to - it is said that each action has an equal and opposite reaction. Well if so, the Israeli reaction is remarkedly restrained, is it not. (And in fact, Israel's Jews, very often the settlers, are the ones who pick the Palestinian children who just tried to attack and kill other Jews up off the ground and try and save their lives.)

Israel's reaction is no "crime". The crime lies elsewhere. You are a part of that crime in your continual attempts at smear and demonisation on here.
 

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Yes, I agree, it is an "indefensible injustice". - Now are you going to do something to stop it, or are you just going to continue using what comes out of the above for your base propaganda purposes, to incite against the Jews of Israel. Drawing on the most blatant of old antisemitic libels.
By posting this thread I'm doing something. Israel is clearly trying to cover up it's mass imprisonment of Palestinian children, as is evidenced by the fact that families were detained for possing photo's of their children in captivity. This thread raises awareness of the issue they so obviously are trying to supress.

It's funny that you accuse me, who posted a report by Human Rights Watch, of posting propaganda, when you're the one who posted a video from an Israeli propaganda institute founded by Israeli Military Intelligence.

And what anti-semitic libel are you dribbling about? I posted a report by Human Rights Watch which contained three facts about Israel's imprisonment of children, not the protocols of the elders of zion.
 
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Those are poorly cobbled together propaganda pieces based on pure lies, as I've already shown.
Prove they are lies. Actually see if you can find someone who actually has a brain to do it for you.

The small anomaly in the translation of that Memri video does not dismiss the entirety of what is represented in the video. By any stretch of the imagination. Memri exist for a very good purpose btw. Their work is important to a better understanding of this conflict.
 

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Watch the other videos and links. Listen again to Arafat. - I'm saying that the "stone-throwing" (and "knife-attacks") are not just random stone throwing kids but rather one element of a very carefully designed strategy to:

  • Foster international impressions of a Palestinian "David" against an Israeli "Goliath".
  • Find a way to circumvent the security measures that were introduced against the suicide bombings.
  • Force Israel to take new security measures that reinforce the "apartheid smear".
  • Cause maximum terror among Jewish citizens of Israel and the Palestinian territories.
  • Nurture Islamic inspired religiosity and sentiment in "martydom" operations, with an opus of religious rhetoric.
Hamas and PA strategy and tactics are based squarely on making the rest of the world condemn Israel, and kindling antisemitic archetypes that they know lie deep in mankind. Their death-cult has no compunction in sacrificing their children towards those ends.

Israel's is not just reacting to random stone-throwing. Watch the third video above "the knife and the message". That is what the Israeli reaction is to - it is said that each action has an equal and opposite reaction. Well if so, the Israeli reaction is remarkedly restrained, is it not. (And in fact, Israel's Jews, very often the settlers, are the ones who pick the Palestinian children who just tried to attack and kill other Jews up off the ground and try and save their lives.)

Israel's reaction is no "crime". The crime lies elsewhere. You are a part of that crime in your continual attempts at smear and demonisation on here.
Yes, I'm sure Israel's mass imprisonment of children is really the result of a great Palestinian conspiracy to make Israel look bad. Talk about smearing and demonisation.
 

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Yes, I'm sure Israel's mass imprisonment of children is really the result of a great Palestinian conspiracy to make Israel look bad. Talk about smearing and demonisation.
It's not "Palestinian" conspiracy. The Palestinian people are the ones who are suffering.

But look to wider Arab agencies like these.

Or look to wider Religious agendas like these.

That's where it's coming from.
 

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The small anomaly in the translation of that Memri video does not dismiss the entirety of what is represented in the video.
Small anomaly? They translated the complete opposite of what was said.

where MEMRI translated the girl as saying the highly controversial remark ("We will annihilate the Jews"), Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is saying "Bitokhoona al-yahood", variously interpreted as, "The Jews [will] shoot us"[72] or "The Jews are killing us."[73]
 

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Listen to roc would you, the children are evil, evil.

Israel also as usual bares it's gluteus maximus in the direction of international law for that country is a signatory to the UN convention on the rights of the child.

http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/crc.aspx

The legally binding UNCRC... Parts Israel is in violation of ...

Article 2

1. States Parties shall respect and ensure the rights set forth in the present Convention to each child within their jurisdiction without discrimination of any kind, irrespective of the child's or his or her parent's or legal guardian's race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national, ethnic or social origin, property, disability, birth or other status.

2. States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to ensure that the child is protected against all forms of discrimination or punishment on the basis of the status, activities, expressed opinions, or beliefs of the child's parents, legal guardians, or family members.

Article 3

1. In all actions concerning children, whether undertaken by public or private social welfare institutions, courts of law, administrative authorities or legislative bodies, the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.

2. States Parties undertake to ensure the child such protection and care as is necessary for his or her well-being, taking into account the rights and duties of his or her parents, legal guardians, or other individuals legally responsible for him or her, and, to this end, shall take all appropriate legislative and administrative measures.

3. States Parties shall ensure that the institutions, services and facilities responsible for the care or protection of children shall conform with the standards established by competent authorities, particularly in the areas of safety, health, in the number and suitability of their staff, as well as competent supervision.

Article 9

1. States Parties shall ensure that a child shall not be separated from his or her parents against their will, except when competent authorities subject to judicial review determine, in accordance with applicable law and procedures, that such separation is necessary for the best interests of the child.
The punishment of the parents for seeking to protect their children seems in direction violation of Article 5..

States Parties shall respect the responsibilities, rights and duties of parents or, where applicable, the members of the extended family or community as provided for by local custom, legal guardians or other persons legally responsible for the child, to provide, in a manner consistent with the evolving capacities of the child
Terrible wickedness occurs when a state declares war against a civilian population and children as the next generation become prime targets.
 

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Ah, so it's not a Palestinian conspiracy, but an Arab Muslim conspiracy. That makes much more sense :roll:
They lost in conventional-type warfare. They were defeated and they understood early on that Israel is gaining more capabilities. Since the Yom Kippur War in 1973 they they moved to terror, rockets, missiles, and the aspiration to acquire weapons of mass destruction. And another front of the war is delegitimisation, demonisation, BDS and lawfare. Their use of children is a central part of that. They know that their children can be deployed in this front - to make the rest of the world condemn Israel. Again, read the links and watch the videos in my post #2. You would have to be either blind or completely half-witted not to understand what is actually happening.
 

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Listen to roc would you, the children are evil, evil.
Where exactly did I say that?

I said that their children are being most cynically and abominably weaponised by a completely degenerate so called "Palestinian leadership".

And I offered a lot of evidence that corroborates that assertion.
 

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If you want to occupy you have to brutally oppress the locals.

Otherwise you just can't do it.

To try and deny it would be an insult to the intelligence of a cabbage.
 

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They lost in conventional-type warfare. They were defeated and they understood early on that Israel is gaining more capabilities. Since the Yom Kippur War in 1973 they they moved to terror, rockets, missiles, and the aspiration to acquire weapons of mass destruction. And another front of the war is delegitimisation, demonisation, BDS and lawfare. Their use of children is a central part of that. They know that their children can be deployed in this front - to make the rest of the world condemn Israel. Again, read the links and watch the videos in my post #2. You would have to be either blind or completely half-witted not to understand what is actually happening.
Yes, it's clearly all an Arab conspiracy!

That you have to resort to personal insults and slander is very telling about the substance of your argument.

All the evidence points to Israel being culpable for it's abuse and torture of children, and everyone (including both the U.N: and influential Zionist rabbis) but Israel agrees on that:


Palestinian children tortured, used as shields by Israel: U.N. | Reuters

A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields.

"Palestinian children arrested by (Israeli) military and police are systematically subject to degrading treatment, and often to acts of torture, are interrogated in Hebrew, a language they did not understand, and sign confessions in Hebrew in order to be released," it said in a report.

During the 10-year period, an estimated 7,000 Palestinian children aged 12 to 17, but some as young as nine, had been arrested, interrogated and detained, the U.N. report said.

Many are brought in leg chains and shackles before military courts, while youths are held in solitary confinement, sometimes for months, the report said.

Israeli soldiers had used Palestinian children to enter potentially dangerous buildings before them and to stand in front of military vehicles to deter stone-throwing, it said.

Israeli Government funds Leading Rabbi who Advocates Slaughter of Gentile Babies

government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies "because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us ... it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly ... we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents."

A brochure distributed in Judean and Samarian communities stated that "needless to say that nowhere in the book does it state that these remarks are aimed only at gentiles in ancient times."

The commandments in the book do not suffice only with gentiles; you can also find in them approval to attack leftist professors: every citizen in the kingdom opposing us who encourages the fighters or expresses satisfaction with their actions is considered a pursuer and his killing is permissible," wrote the rabbi and adds, "and also considered a pursuer is someone whose remarks weaken our kingdom or have a similar effect."
 
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“...The Palestinian child holding a stone, facing a tank... is that not the greatest message to the world, when that hero becomes a martyr...".
(Yassir Arafat, 2002)



Yes, I agree, it is an "indefensible injustice". - Now are you going to do something to stop it, or are you just going to continue using what comes out of the above for your base propaganda purposes, to incite against the Jews of Israel. Drawing on the most blatant of old antisemitic libels.
How many times now is it that you have posted this same post ? Isn't that called spamming ........
 

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... All the evidence points to Israel being culpable for it's abuse and torture of children, and everyone (including both the U.N: and influential Zionist rabbis) but Israel agrees on that:
No, Israel's enemies agree on it.

e.g. The 56 countries of the OIC and their diplomatic initiatives and manoeuvres within the UN and other bodies. And ultra orthodox anti-Zionist Rabbis out on the complete fringe like the odious Neturai Karta cult and Rabbi Weiss.

Whereas Israelis point to the context and the exigencies that necessitate a somewhat harsh treatment of minors, towards anticipating and deterring further terrorist atrocities.

And your intent is revealed by your complete intolerance of any alternative motive or context presented for Israel's treatment of these Palestinian children.

What you hold up as your "evidence" is basically equivalent to such as the following:


- Between 1923 and 1933 nineteen issues of Der Sturmer featured articles on missing children, listing names, and concluding that they were undoubtedly kidnapped by Jews, who kept them chained in dungeons while they sharpened their torture instruments in preparation for their Passover slaughter.

- The May 1, 1934 issue of Der Sturmer was devoted entirely to the theme and featured hideous-looking Jews enticing, torturing and butchering children and then draining their blood and mixing it with matzohs and wine.

- Even after Auschwitz, on July 4, 1946, in Lielce, Poland, the mob was again stirred by allegations that Jews were abducting Christian children for their blood. This mob went on to shoot, axe and club to death forty two Jews, including children, and wounded many more.

- Again in the 1960's, Soviet local newspapers reproduced the charge. Mobs took their righteous vengeance.

- In 1996, post liberation from communism, and with the reemergence of a neo fascist and antisemitic nationalism, a Romanian weekly with national circulation accused Israelis of smuggling babies out of Romania "for organ transplants and blood..."​


And it has gone on and on without stop since. There are numerous much more recent examples in Arab states similar to the above. You post is just more of the same. I can smell it a mile off. And particularly when you willfully blind yourself to so much. Now go back under the rock you crawled out from under. Enough is enough.
 
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Those are poorly cobbled together propaganda pieces based on pure lies, as I've already shown.
So Mondoweiss - which is two Jews living in New York - and its sources - Ma'an News - don't indulge in propaganda ?
 


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