Paradoxically, high nursing pay causing shortages of nurses


popular1

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If health service pay and pension costs weren't so high, more nurses could be recruited, reducing the high stress levels in A&E and reducing long waiting list delays.
If the cost of living in this country wasn't so high you wouldn't have to pay as high a wages
If the cost of a house wasn't so high you didn't have to pay high wages
Looked at a pure kip on daft.ie today gone from 120k to 200k in 2 years
And you wouldn't put a dog in it,

And you wonder why people need more money
 

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According to the Euro Health Consumer Index 2017 our health service is ranked the 24th best out of 34.
Accordingly i would suggest benchmarking health service salaries against higher performing countries such as Macedonia and Serbia or Montenegro who finished just behind us. We were placed 21st in 2016 but given the drop of 3 places the Minister should consider reducing salaries accordingly.


https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2017/EHCI-2017-report.pdf
 

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If the cost of living in this country wasn't so high you wouldn't have to pay as high a wages
If the cost of a house wasn't so high you didn't have to pay high wages
Looked at a pure kip on daft.ie today gone from 120k to 200k in 2 years
And you wouldn't put a dog in it,

And you wonder why people need more money
The UK has a substantially higher cost of living than Ireland but Irish nurses are paid about 40% more than UK nurses depending on the exchange rate of sterling to the euro. Whingeing about the cost of living should be left to the Irish private sector, not the public sector which is paid about 45% more than the private sector average and enjoys gold plated pensions for the top half of pay. The UK public sector is paid only 10% more and lacks the jobs for life culture.
 

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I don't know if anyone has had similar experiences in hospitals but I've found a lot of the nursing staff to be quite slow and not very efficient. They stand around talking to eachother a lot. Maybe it's just in the hospitals I've had to visit.
Also the cleaning staff in hospitals are usually made up of foreign nationals. They are looked down upon by nurses and generally treated like dirt.
You're not wrong, unfortunately.
 

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The UK has a substantially higher cost of living than Ireland but Irish nurses are paid about 40% more than UK nurses depending on the exchange rate of sterling to the euro. Whingeing about the cost of living should be left to the Irish private sector, not the public sector which is paid about 45% more than the private sector average and enjoys gold plated pensions for the top half of pay. The UK public sector is paid only 10% more and lacks the jobs for life culture.
Also add to that Ireland employ about 1/3 more nurses per head of population them the UK do. plus the Nurses union have for years being blocking in a turf war the introduction of a grade known as Nursing Assistants
 

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You're not wrong, unfortunately.
Convent educated Irish women tend to be snobs. But it may be they mistakenly blame the cleaners for the substandard cleaning jobs instead of cynical hospital managements who knowingly underpay cleaning contractors and tolerate the resulting unhygienic cleaning jobs.After all, the managers aren't the ones whose health is undermined by hospital bugs.
 
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Also add to that Ireland employ about 1/3 more nurses per head of population them the UK do. plus the Nurses union have for years being blocking in a turf war the introduction of a grade known as Nursing Assistants
Per head? I know a few who were good in the head area
 

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People in Ireland aren't stupid to vote for PBP in any significant numbers.
The total share of votes of populist parties and uncooperative independent TDs suggest otherwise. That said, the establishment political parties repeatedly have sacrificed the public interest for political gains.
 

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Also add to that Ireland employ about 1/3 more nurses per head of population them the UK do. plus the Nurses union have for years being blocking in a turf war the introduction of a grade known as Nursing Assistants
The Nurses union could teach a thing or two to those American unions formerly controlled by mafias!

The fact that our governments tolerate such nasty restrictive practices shows a mix of ineptitude, political pandering and defeatism in negotiating with public sector unions.
 
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Also add to that Ireland employ about 1/3 more nurses per head of population them the UK do. plus the Nurses union have for years being blocking in a turf war the introduction of a grade known as Nursing Assistants
LOUSY PRODUCTIVITY?
What are the extra one third doing? Dealing with pen and ink files instead of desktop computerised files? Promoted as chiefs in situations where there are "more chiefs than Indians"? Working fewer hours than their English counterparts with the exception of A&E? Lousy productivity suggested by that one third number needs to be tackled. What chance is there the bureaucratic HSE will do so instead of begging for more hundreds of millions each year in extra budgets?
 

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According to the Euro Health Consumer Index 2017 our health service is ranked the 24th best out of 34.
Accordingly i would suggest benchmarking health service salaries against higher performing countries such as Macedonia and Serbia or Montenegro who finished just behind us. We were placed 21st in 2016 but given the drop of 3 places the Minister should consider reducing salaries accordingly.


https://healthpowerhouse.com/media/EHCI-2017/EHCI-2017-report.pdf
WAITING TILL DEATH OR MAJOR HEALTH DECLINE
The commentary on Ireland underlines the worst waiting lists of all countries:
1.3.24
Ireland
24th place, 630 points (out of 1,000)
Ireland drops in the Index for two main reasons:
In 2017, Ireland is alone in last position for Accessibility, with patient organisations steadily
giving very pessimistic feedback in the HCP survey.
Unfortunately, this was confirmed by the Irish HSE and MoH
after the release of the EHCI
2015 report, when they said in a memo that the programme initiated to reduce healthcare
waiting times in Ireland aims at a target of no more than 18 months’ (!) wait for a specialist
appointment. Even if and when that target
is reached, it will still be the worst waiting time
situation in Europe.
Also the tightening of Outcomes criteria deprived Ireland of some previous higher scores.
Ireland no longer has a total ban on abortion. The requirement that a woman wishing an
abortion becomes subject to judgement on if the pregnancy should be regarded as a
serious health hazard, including suicide risk, is a very minor step indeed towards abortion
as a women’s right, hence the purple score on this indicator
 

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This is an interesting strike for right wingers who believe the market decides! The market here shows pay more for nurses so man up!
 

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This is an interesting strike for right wingers who believe the market decides! The market here shows pay more for nurses so man up!
No it doesn't, the market shows that there is not a recruitment and retention issue
 

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7,758 nurses are in management positions, which seems a lot out of a total of 37,525
 

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Average earnings for nurses is €57,000.
Strip out higher paid specialist and management roles, average earnings for staff nurse is €51,000.
 

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maybe the Bosses in HSE should scrap positions they have difficulty filling.This is very common in private industry in order to stop recruitment and to lay staff off.In the HSE the likes of specialists, consultants ..etc; the head Honchos could do a rebranding job and call them "Advanced Nursing Specialists in........ (Oncology,Paediatry,Opthalomology,Renal, Gastro-Intestinal ,...........).Put a whole list of letters after their titles and qualifications to hoodwink them into accepting lower wages and lower standards.It is par for the course, today people have numerous certs, diplomas, degrees but it is not a guarantee for a good salary and steady job to raise a family here and pay a mortgage that is 50% higher interest payment than on the continent.How come the same sized house and similar locations in Ireland and in Belgium/Holland/Austria costs higher interests on the mortgage within the same monetary union in the Eurozone?
According to the Slattman Pat and his B & W Cat there is no problem in recruiting nursing staff so this should solve the recruiting problems within weeks and by next summer the HSE will be the land of Nirvana and the Lotus Eaters.
 
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