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Paramilitaries on O'Connell Street


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So let's get the thread back on track and put the blame where the blame belongs - there wouldn't be an IRA but for occupation of Ireland by England, against the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland.

If real democracy was not denied to Irish people - England would have been shown the door a long time ago, and Lyra would still be alive.
 


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I'm sure you have all the numbers.

What you don't appear to have is an argument, or any integrity.

Do you agree that the GFA is the only valid expression of the will of the people of Ireland, and that opposition to the GFA is opposition to the will of the people of Ireland? Or are you trying to wriggle out of giving an answer?
Still waiting for an answer - how many of the 85 percent you claim who voted in Ireland , bothered to vote in the 'Southern Ireland' State?
 

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It is a big point fool - there is a big difference between what you claimed,"all the people of Ireland" and 85 percent of those who could vote.

Now for your next humiliating lesson from me - how many of the 85 percent you claim who voted in Ireland , bothered to vote in the 'Southern Ireland' State?

If people didn't bother to vote that was their choice. They were obviously happy with whatever outcome actual voters came up with.

The answer is 1,442,583. Not that you care.

That 1,442,583 constituted 94.39% of the total number of votes cast (1,545,395) in the 26 county Republic Of Ireland.

FYI, Southern Ireland hasn't existed since 1922. You need to get with the times.

Did you vote for Nineteenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland?
 

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So let's get the thread back on track and put the blame where the blame belongs - there wouldn't be an IRA but for occupation of Ireland by England, against the democratic wishes of the people of Ireland.

If real democracy was not denied to Irish people - England would have been shown the door a long time ago, and Lyra would still be alive.
Lyra M would still be alive if an Irish Republican terrorist hadn't shot her in the head.

Saoradh/New IRA are to blame for her death.
 

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Still waiting for an answer - how many of the 85 percent you claim who voted in Ireland , bothered to vote in the 'Southern Ireland' State?
See post 582 below.

The answer is 1,442,583. Not that you care.
 

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You're mixing them up with OO parades Beachbum.
Not at all - that parade is an Irish Republican parade. That fat c*nt is the sort that is attracted to IR groups. That c*nt is probably also mentally challenged. Look at the cut of it.
 

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We Irish know of no spectacle so disgusting as when you foreigners, given your history in our country, throw one of your hypocritical fits of morality.
That fat person at the Saoradh parade is a disgusting example of low-IQ Irish Republican people.

Look at the cut of it.
 

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That fat person at the Saoradh parade is a disgusting example of low-IQ Irish Republican people.

Look at the cut of it.
What's that you say - de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain in the Irish Sea???

We Irish are going to make you squatters our bitches soon.
 

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You are trolling again. You have been told numerous times that the Irish Government says we can afford to reunify our country - and Ireland north and south, will be better off as a result.

The majority of the people of Ireland want the reunification of our people, our country, and the end of England's ongoing occupation in Ireland - have you ever seen a poll that showed otherwise???

Dail Eireann have been working on elements of a reunification paper through its 'Joint Committee on the Implementation of the Good Friday Agreement'. They produced a paper called 'Uniting Ireland & its People in Peace & Prosperity'

Listen @ 25. A leading academic suggests significant shift in the population here - are we now on the countdown to a new Ireland? @AlexKane221b and @chrisadonnelly discuss #BBCNolan

Read. hhttp://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_the_implementation_of_the_good_friday_agreement/reports/2017/2017-08-02_brexit-and-the-future-of-ireland-uniting-ireland-and-its-people-in-peace-and-prosperity_en.pdf

A few months ago on BBC radio, Paul Gosling, an economic writer, researcher and broadcaster of some repute talked about the 6 county economic benefit following the reunification of Ireland and the ending of British rule.

Listen @ 1.46. BBC Radio Ulster - Good Morning Ulster, 13/08/2018
And here is the Paul Gosling report on the benefits of the reunification of Ireland for the 6 counties. The economic effect of an all-island economy | Paul Gosling

"This report concludes that there is a significant positive potential economic benefit from Irish reunification, particularly for the citizens of Northern Ireland. It is recommended that preparations begin now in accordance with Article 3 of the Irish constitution, as amended following the Good Friday Agreement. Progress towards achieving an all island economy should be reviewed annually by the Oireachtas."

The 'Southern Ireland' State sits atop the European growth charts, while the 'Northern Ireland' statelet is down at the bottom. EY’s Economic Eye, Winter 2017

What with Brexit and the decline of Unionism, British rule in Ireland is coming to an end - and soon. It's time for Unionists to accept their fate, and work with the rest of us to make Ireland a better place for all.

Northern Ireland isn't a state you moron.

Are you now admitting that the Republic Of Ireland (what you call "The 'Southern Ireland' State") is a state?
 

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What's that you say - de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain in the Irish Sea???

We Irish are going to make you squatters our bitches soon.

I said nothing of the sort.

Why are you lying?

I was referring to the fat Saoradh parader. A typical example of greedy, lazy Irish Republicans.
 

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I'm sure you have all the numbers.

What you don't appear to have is an argument, or any integrity.

Do you agree that the GFA is the only valid expression of the will of the people of Ireland, and that opposition to the GFA is opposition to the will of the people of Ireland? Or are you trying to wriggle out of giving an answer?

Talk Back can't face the truth that the GFA was approved by majorities of voters in both Ni and the ROI.

Instead Talk Back thinks that a few hundred unelected Irish Republicans represent the people.
 

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I hope it remains that way.
People old enough to remember the Peace Train and the Peace People initiatives will see certain parallels in the Politicization of the death of McKee.

Was Winnie Mandela involved in Stompie Seipei’s murder?

In remembering the life of Winnie Mandela, there is bound to be controversy. However, perhaps the darkest chapter in her history is related to the death of 14-year-old Stompie Seipei.

The young boy was tortured, beaten and eventually murdered on New Year’s Day, 1989. He was part of a group of four youths who were kidnapped a few days before, before Seipei’s body was dumped in wasteland near Winnie Mandela’s house.

Was Winnie Mandela involved?

The location of this discovery raised questions about Winnie’s involvement, and these were questions that never really went away. A criminal trial concluded that Jerry Richardson – a member of the “Mandela Football Club” group – was the man who eventually ended Stompie’s life.

But his relationship with “Mama Winnie” remained under the spotlight. In his defence, Richardson maintained that she had instructed him to kill the teenager, as she suspected Stompie was a police informant.

Who was Stompie Seipei?

Now we hit a troubling grey area. Seipei was known for his leadership of the under-14’s liberation wing in Soweto, and was referred to as “The Young General”. News travels fast. He was soon hauled in front of the police, who brutally squeezed him for information.

Putting up with more than any young boy should, he eventually relented. But when Winnie was told what happened, it is believed she brandished him as “an informant”. A title that would effectively cost Stompie his life.

Mrs Mandela lived in Soweto during an anarchic time. Without the structure of law, she eventually found herself as the immutable word of law. By blaming Stompie for sharing information with the police, his life was endangered.

This is something Winnie Mandela has accepted, with a heavy heart. She has acknowledged she could’ve done more and formally apologised to the boy’s parents.

What punishment did Winnie receive?

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission gave her a two-year suspended sentence for her actions, but still felt she was involved in the kidnap and assaults. Winnie never forgave the TRC for suspecting her of the murder.

But stories that she was directly behind the killing struggle to stand up on their own, largely undermined by the testimony of former apartheid agents.

Vic McPherson was a former director of STRATCOM (an intelligence unit used by the National Party to coordinate operations against the ANC).

In the 2018 Pascale Lamche documentary Winnie, He explains that Winnie Mandela was targeted by “a team of 40 journalists“, who would “place specific reports in newspapers” on their behalf.

Henk Heslinga was a member of the Soweto Police Squad. During that same documentary, he revealed that the Commissioner of the South African Police Service at the time asked for all cases involving Winnie Mandela to be reinvestigated, because – as Henk says – “they were looking to find a reason to charge her for murder“.

Why was Stompie Seipei killed?

As the investigation began, it was discovered that Jerry Richardson was actually an informant for the Security Branch in Soweto. The startling confession detailed how Stompie found out the truth, so Richardson decided to kill him to cover his tracks. Explainer: Was Winnie Mandela involved in Stompie Seipei's murder?
Dear oh dear, you are seriously comparing Nelson Mandela to the IRA? What about Winnie Mandela? She was fond of putting tyres around her enemies bodies so that their arms were pinned to them and they couldn't escape when the tyres were set on fire burning them to death. Sick that you honestly believe such filth..
The above post isn't necessarily for your benefit. It's for people who may have an open mind on what really happened with Winnie. Other than that, I think you are confusing Umkhonto we Sizwe and the IRA, with the African National Congress and Sinn Féin? There are comparisons with the former, but not the latter, and there's certainly no comparison between the Truth & Reconciliation process in South Africa and the Irish Peace Process, partially, but not entirely because the great and the good don't want the extent of their involvement in the Anglo-Irish Conflict known to the world. Would you?
 

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You'll be needing your ROI passport you traitor.
What do you imagine that even means?

You squatters must be DEVASTATED to know that the real British in Britain are doing their upmost to get rid of you.

Poor locationally challenged Unionists trapped in Ireland - we Irish are going to make you our bitches soon.
 

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People old enough to remember the Peace Train and the Peace People initiatives will see certain parallels in the Politicization of the death of McKee.
Bullsh!t. Those floundering to try to defend the Saoradh/New IRA scum are trying desperately on this thread and others to contextualize the murder, to put it in a broader context of 800 years of oppression.

Ireland is no longer oppressed, police action against a few criminal thugs is not oppression.
 
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What do you imagine that even means?

You squatters must be DEVASTATED to know that the real British in Britain are doing their upmost to get rid of you.

Poor locationally challenged Unionists trapped in Ireland - we Irish are going to make you our bitches soon.
Still spouting nonsense!

Why you haven't been banned is a mystery to me.

Anyway, where are you on answering whether or not you accept the Good Friday Agreement?
 

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Is it possible to name any of the people who walked in military-style garb on O'Connell Street?

Has anyone looked at any of the pictures and went "I know who that is"?

They obviously desire attention - perhaps we should give them some. Shine a light on them.

Who are they?

Where do they work (or more likely, where do they draw their benefits?). etc.
 

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