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Partition of Scotland looming as Scottish Lib Dems back Shetland/Orkney secession


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The independence referendum due to take place next year is throwing up some unexpected consequences. The Scottish Liberal Democrat conference backed the idea of Shetland and Orkney becoming independent entities similar to the Isle of Man with their own relationship to central government in London. The two island groups are among the Liberal Democrats' strongest areas in Scotland.

Guardian report: Lib Dems call on Shetland and Orkney to become more independent | Politics | guardian.co.uk

It is true that the islands have always been more distinct than the rest of Scotland than, for example, the Hebrides. The idea of the Hebrides separating is simply unthinkable - they are obviously more Scottish than Shetland. The defection of Shetland and Orkney would be a huge blow to the Scottish independence campaign, given that they would obviously have a claim on much of the North Sea mineral wealth currently claimed by Scotland.

Interesting times ahead!
 


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The Shetlands have been part of Scotland for 550 years, Scotland has been part of the UK for 300 years. Not an enormous difference so Shetland separating from Scotland isn't that different from Scotland departing the UK. It would be interesting to see what is the view of the SNP would be to a referendum of independence being offered to Shetland. I would presume they would attempt to block any such referendum on the basis of the oil revenue they would lose, but it would be interesting to hear their justification for opposition to such a referendum.
 

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The independence referendum due to take place next year is throwing up some unexpected consequences. The Scottish Liberal Democrat conference backed the idea of Shetland and Orkney becoming independent entities similar to the Isle of Man with their own relationship to central government in London. The two island groups are among the Liberal Democrats' strongest areas in Scotland.

Guardian report: Lib Dems call on Shetland and Orkney to become more independent | Politics | guardian.co.uk

It is true that the islands have always been more distinct than the rest of Scotland than, for example, the Hebrides. The idea of the Hebrides separating is simply unthinkable - they are obviously more Scottish than Shetland. The defection of Shetland and Orkney would be a huge blow to the Scottish independence campaign, given that they would obviously have a claim on much of the North Sea mineral wealth currently claimed by Scotland.

Interesting times ahead!
I imagine that the look on Alex Salmond's face when this starts to move will be pirceless.

With North Sea royalties, and historical links the new independent entity will have no reason to want to have any assocoation with the corrupt EU either. Perhaps it might go the entire journey.
 

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Knew a few Shetland guys - reckoned they were Half Norse, Half Scots.



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A lof of them supported Celtic & said the Celtic supporters never fell out over religion.

The hilarious thing was he said to me that the Celtic supporters were from the 2 different religions.

Then he said - half of us are Presbyterians & the other half are Methodists... :lol:

Bit disconnected from Scotland alright... petunia
 

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Ideally nobody would own the stuff under the ground and it would all be placed in a global fund to be distributed equally across every human being.
 

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Knew a few Shetland guys - reckoned they were Half Norse, Half Scots.



Up Helly Aa - Europe's Largest Fire Festival - Official Website of the Lerwick Up-Helly-Aa Committee

A lof of them supported Celtic & said the Celtic supporters never fell out over religion.

The hilarious thing was he said to me that the Celtic supporters were from the 2 different religions.

Then he said - half of us are Presbyterians & the other half are Methodists... :lol:

Bit disconnected from Scotland alright... petunia
A large proportion of the people on the East coast of Scotland and the cost on the West coast of Scotland can honestly state they are half Norse and half Scots. Most of the islands around Scotland were Norse at one point, with a lot of settlement in other areas.
 

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Colossal boost to UKIP's English Parliament Campaign...
 

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Dalkey Island residents take note.
 

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The independence referendum due to take place next year is throwing up some unexpected consequences. The Scottish Liberal Democrat conference backed the idea of Shetland and Orkney becoming independent entities similar to the Isle of Man with their own relationship to central government in London. The two island groups are among the Liberal Democrats' strongest areas in Scotland.

Guardian report: Lib Dems call on Shetland and Orkney to become more independent | Politics | guardian.co.uk

It is true that the islands have always been more distinct than the rest of Scotland than, for example, the Hebrides. The idea of the Hebrides separating is simply unthinkable - they are obviously more Scottish than Shetland. The defection of Shetland and Orkney would be a huge blow to the Scottish independence campaign, given that they would obviously have a claim on much of the North Sea mineral wealth currently claimed by Scotland.

Interesting times ahead!
You wouldn't expect anything else of the British colonial mentality. Any nation harbouring ideas of breaking away face the divide and conquer tactics of an establishment willing to go to any lengths to preserve the status quo. We got a real taste of it here in Ireland back in the 1880s when the Tories whipped up the Unionists to prevent Home Rule and it never mattered a damn to them that they left over a century of destruction in their wake. Nor were we the only country where it happened. Every place that finally shoved the Raj off its territory faced the mean, niggardly, bad-minded and murderous legacy of British withdrawal like the Arabs and the Jews in the Middle East, the Muslims and the Hindus in India, the whites and the blacks in South Africa, the various tribal conflicts in the rest of Africa and the Malays and Chinese in Malaysia. And then, when the pesky natives start shooting each other in a British-inspired civil war, the armchair generals and their apologist Uncle Toms can point to their savagery that only Britain's civilising influence can suppress.

Stirring the $hit in Orkney and Shetland is only par for the course. The pukka clubs of London must be wetting themselves in anticipation of what shagging up Scotland can achieve.
 

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They should call the partitioned state Arctic Scotland.
 

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You wouldn't expect anything else of the British colonial mentality.
From the article Tavish Scott, Shetland MSP is looking for
"A future that benefits the economy, culture and our identity in the wider world for the advantage of future generations of islanders".
Do you think that Tavish sounds reaaalllly like a British colonialist from a London pukka club? Or is it that you think that Tavishs desire for self-determination is somehow less worthy than Alex Salmonds?
 

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Knew a few Shetland guys - reckoned they were Half Norse, Half Scots.



Up Helly Aa - Europe's Largest Fire Festival - Official Website of the Lerwick Up-Helly-Aa Committee

A lof of them supported Celtic & said the Celtic supporters never fell out over religion.

The hilarious thing was he said to me that the Celtic supporters were from the 2 different religions.

Then he said - half of us are Presbyterians & the other half are Methodists... :lol:

Bit disconnected from Scotland alright... petunia
Looks a bit Wickermanish to me. Is human sacrifice involved?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FdV-O8o7ok

The Wicker Man (1973 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The Shetlander Islanders don't really consider themselves to be Scottish and they don't really like the Scots. The Shetlands - the northermost part of the UK, 1000 miles from Land's End but just 200 miles from Norway - were part of Norway not that long ago and the Shetlanders are of Nordic descent and once spoke a Germanic language called Norn.

The Shetlanders think of the Scots as being arrogant and ignorant about their islands. This ignorance was shown a few years' ago when the SNP said that they wanted to see how much Gaelic was being spoken around Scotland, and they included the Shetlands in their survey. The Islanders weren't pleased because Gaelic has never been spoken on the islands, yet the SNP didn't seem to know that.

The Shetlanders have a saying: "Scotland is the land of bad grain and greedy ministers" and there are some who think that, in the unlikely event of Scotland seceding from the UK, the Shetland Islands - which have a huge chunk of "Scotland's" oil in their waters - will decide to break away from Scotland and remain in the UK, maybe actually becoming part of England.
 
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That oil will always be controlled by London since they a Navy and an Airforce.
 

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That oil will always be controlled by London since they a Navy and an Airforce.
Any oil in Scotland's waters will be Scotland's in the unlikely event that the Scots vote to secede, but there is a strong possibility than the Shetlands may decide to break from Scotland and remain in the UK. Why? Because Shetlanders have traditionally been hostile to Scottish independence, and prefer rule from Westminster to rule from Holyrood. The Shetlands have a THIRD of Scotland's oil - Sullom Voe, one of the largest oil and liquefied gas terminals in Europe, lies off Shetland's coastline and a 1974 legislative settlement provides the Shetlands with a nest egg called the Reserve Fund, which is now worth around £650 million - and if Scotland breaks from the UK then it's highly likely that the Shetlanders will want to stay IN the UK, breaking away from Scotland. So the Scots, on becoming independence, will lose a third of the oil which the SNP currently believe will be Scotland's on independence.

The MP for Shetland has said that the Shetlanders will not allow Salmond to ride roughshod over the islands’ claims to the oil and gas fields in their waters if he wins the independence referendum.

In a letter to the First Minister, Tavish Scott said his constituents will “not simply be ignored, bypassed or trodden on” in negotiations with the rest of the UK to create a separate Scotland.

Not only that, but there's also Orkney that the Scottish nats may have to worry about. They may not be too keen to secede from the UK either.
 

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That oil will always be controlled by London since they a Navy and an Airforce.
Oh there will never be any need for that, the Jocks are a spineless lot, always pretending to be a separate country and waving the flag, but when push comes to shove they have no balls and will stay at mother England's side and when the Royal honours are being doled out, well they are first in line.
 

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Oh there will never be any need for that, the Jocks are a spineless lot, always pretending to be a separate country and waving the flag, but when push comes to shove they have no balls and will stay at mother England's side and when the Royal honours are being doled out, well they are first in line.
Pretty much. At least the Welsh make no pretensions to be an independent people. The Scots like to talk the talk, but as usual, when it comes down to it, they'll remain with England, under whose tutelage they have been since 1603.
 

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They were originally Norwegian so they have historically been seperate from Scotland.
 

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