Passing the budget

Dreaded_Estate

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According to the government and many others it is in the national interest for the budget to be passed.

But given events of the last 24 hours means that isn't the case anymore

The deal with the IMF is effectively done.
There is no IMF review until March
We are out of the markets until 2014

Why would the opposition agree or help to get the budget through now. FF are at their lower ebb and can only improve by March.

The opposition will have to push through a harsh budget but this will be forgotten by the time of the 2016 election
 


picador

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The budget will be harsh but even so it will contain bribes for the vested interest groups that make up the FF faithful. There is an election coming after all.

This government has ZERO creidibillity and the opposition should make the budget a vote of confidence. Screw the markets and our 'European partners'. The incoming government can pass one in the new year.
 

Dreaded_Estate

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Before this budget is passed the opposition should see what it contains. That's the first step.

They pretty much know what is in it already. Why should they allow time for FF to recover?
If they are good thing or the whole thing is perfect they can just copy it in their own budget
 

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According to the government, anything they want to do is in the national interest...and if you say otherwise, then you're unpatriotic and may as well go and commit suicide.
 

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I'll say it again this budget needs to fail.

Here's looking at Michael Lowry who is effectively Taoiseach, with Jackie Healy Rae as Tánaiste - the time is now for these two clowns to show if they have any balls.
 

picador

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According to the government, anything they want to do is in the national interest...and if you say otherwise, then you're unpatriotic and may as well go and commit suicide.
The current government is NOT in the national interest. Anyone who does not understand that by now is an idiot.
 

cozzy121

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Or last chance is to stop the budget passing. Our country is being sold out by the coward cowen and his mates, so the euro can remain over-valued and the German/French banks will receive their pound of flesh.
The budget must be stopped and thisgovernment must fall.
 

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The opposition has two choices; support/ abstain and FF and the treehuggers get the blame or Oppose, risk the budget failing and then bring in 99% of the same proposals and they get a fair share of the blame. It's not hard to call this one...
 

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Is there any particular circumstances that exist now, as opposed to two weeks ago that both Fine Gael and Labour feel Cowen shouldnt step now and call an election?

If not, why hadnt both of these parties refused to rally and support an SF motion of no confidence in Biffo- and more to the point, will they back off again if two Indo TD's come forward and join the 5 shinners to form a technical group to table the motion again?
 

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I definitely think the budget will be passed. Labour or Fine Gael will abstain if there are any half decent job creation policies included,

ie.

Travel tax will be eliminated
Exemption from employers PRSI for new employees
Exemption of minimum wage from employers prsi or at a reduced rate
 

picador

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Is there any particular circumstances that exist now, as opposed to two weeks ago that both Fine Gael and Labour feel Cowen shouldnt step now and call an election?

If not, why hadnt both of these parties refused to rally and support an SF motion of no confidence in Biffo- and more to the point, will they back off again if two Indo TD's come forward and join the 5 shinners to form a technical group to table the motion again?
By supporting an early no confidence motion FG could get itself off the 'pass the budget in the national interest' hook.
 

Squire Allworthy

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The opposition has two choices; support/ abstain and FF and the treehuggers get the blame or Oppose, risk the budget failing and then bring in 99% of the same proposals and they get a fair share of the blame. It's not hard to call this one...

No matter what they do FG and Labour will have to live with this budget or similar so they may as well show back bone and vote against on principle or put forward a motion of no confidence.

Politically now is the time to strike and decimate FF not March.

The Greens if they have any political sense should withdraw now on the grounds of the National interest.

Let FF's failure end in failure. Let a new admin take its own decisions.
 

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HarshBuzz

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I'll say it again this budget needs to fail.

Here's looking at Michael Lowry who is effectively Taoiseach, with Jackie Healy Rae as Tánaiste - the time is now for these two clowns to show if they have any balls.
they should promise Healy-Rea and Lowry whatever they want - hospitals, roads, schools, whatever

Then FG\LAB can just turn around and renege on it in three months time from the comfort of their 100+ seats, it's a free pass to get the budget through

double win actually as it will point up to the electorate the uselessness of these two gombeens
 
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Why do FG and Labour feel they must either support or abstain?

The Budget clearly is not in the nations interest, the IMF/EU deal is not in the nations interest, if the budget fails it WILL BE IN OUR INTEREST.

FG and Labour would gain so much politically if they voted down this budget, their message to the people of Ireland should be,

"We refuse to vote for this budget, we urge all TD`s to support out motion to vote no, by voting no we send a clear signal to the IMF/EU that this deal is not good for Ireland and once we have our General Election we will re-enter talks with a clear mandate from the people of Ireland to reach agreement over a deal that is fair to the people of Ireland."
 

Squire Allworthy

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So they have to rely on Sinn Fein for a modicum of democracy. Both Kenny and Gilmore should be fighting tooth and nail to be the one to put forward that Motion of No Confidence!
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Tells you all you need to know about the pair of them. Sad when it is again SF making the running.
 


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