Passport Watch - Canada gets sex and gender mixed up

Dimples 77

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So starting on the 31st of August "Canadians will be able to choose to have a gender-unspecified “X” designation on their passport, instead of just “M” for male or “F” for female."

Canadians travelling with gender-neutral passports could face problems abroad - National | Globalnews.ca

The problem is though that there is no "gender" field on a Canadian passport, so the "X" will be placed in the "sex" field that is on the Canadian passport.

That's just one problem. The second is that while Canada is OK with putting an "X" in the sex field, other countries are under no obligation to accept this choice. Australians have been able to choose to have an "X" shown in the "sex" field for some time, and some of these Australians have faced difficulties when they arrrive in countries that do not accept the concept.

The Australian authorities offer this advice:
"Sex and gender diverse passport holders should be aware that while Australian travel documents are issued in accordance with international standards, those travelling on a passport showing 'X' in the sex field may encounter difficulties when crossing international borders due to their infrequent use. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade cannot guarantee that a passport showing 'X' in the sex field will be accepted for entry or transit by another country."

Presumably Canadians who choose this bucket will face the same thing. But hey - so long as they feel good about the misleading information on their passport it's their own choice if they go to places that may give them a hard time.
 


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My only problem with this is, it presents an opening of Pandora's box and every non-binary, gender fluid person who prefers the pronoun "they" will demand to have their own option for the "sex" category on a passport.

A passport is designed to allow for international travel. That is why it is mostly made up of Visa pages. It shouldn't be used to sooth ones personal rights agenda.
 

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So starting on the 31st of August "Canadians will be able to choose to have a gender-unspecified “X” designation on their passport, instead of just “M” for male or “F” for female."

Canadians travelling with gender-neutral passports could face problems abroad - National | Globalnews.ca

The problem is though that there is no "gender" field on a Canadian passport, so the "X" will be placed in the "sex" field that is on the Canadian passport.

That's just one problem. The second is that while Canada is OK with putting an "X" in the sex field, other countries are under no obligation to accept this choice. Australians have been able to choose to have an "X" shown in the "sex" field for some time, and some of these Australians have faced difficulties when they arrrive in countries that do not accept the concept.

The Australian authorities offer this advice:
"Sex and gender diverse passport holders should be aware that while Australian travel documents are issued in accordance with international standards, those travelling on a passport showing 'X' in the sex field may encounter difficulties when crossing international borders due to their infrequent use. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade cannot guarantee that a passport showing 'X' in the sex field will be accepted for entry or transit by another country."

Presumably Canadians who choose this bucket will face the same thing. But hey - so long as they feel good about the misleading information on their passport it's their own choice if they go to places that may give them a hard time.
They should have sex and gender boxes on every passport. Your sex stays what it is, but you can change your "gender" to any nonsense you like.
 

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There's also a practical problem with this right now. You go into a bank. You want to open an account. Part of the KYC process is that you ID yourself, so DOB, Place of birth, nationality etc. And gender.

And bank systems are yonks old. They only have binary definitions of m/f. And now you don't have a passport that evidences which you are.
 

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There's also a practical problem with this right now. You go into a bank. You want to open an account. Part of the KYC process is that you ID yourself, so DOB, Place of birth, nationality etc. And gender.

And bank systems are yonks old. They only have binary definitions of m/f. And now you don't have a passport that evidences which you are.
Well you could always lay your **** out on the bank clerks desk if there was any confusion.
 

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My only problem with this is, it presents an opening of Pandora's box and every non-binary, gender fluid person who prefers the pronoun "they" will demand to have their own option for the "sex" category on a passport.

A passport is designed to allow for international travel. That is why it is mostly made up of Visa pages. It shouldn't be used to sooth ones personal rights agenda.
What's the point of having the sex category on it though? I imagine it is for identification purposes? If so, it's counter productive in cases where the holder possesses, or grooms, a body image that is somewhat ambiguous, or one that doesn't match their sex, or assigned gender, or whatever it is.
 

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My only problem with this is, it presents an opening of Pandora's box and every non-binary, gender fluid person who prefers the pronoun "they" will demand to have their own option for the "sex" category on a passport.

A passport is designed to allow for international travel. That is why it is mostly made up of Visa pages. It shouldn't be used to sooth ones personal rights agenda.

I agree.

And yet both Australia and Canada indulge this nonsense.

They only have a "sex" field in their passports, yet to pander to the gender identity worriers they are allowing people to put a gender related marker in that "sex" field.
 

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So starting on the 31st of August "Canadians will be able to choose to have a gender-unspecified “X” designation on their passport, instead of just “M” for male or “F” for female."

Canadians travelling with gender-neutral passports could face problems abroad - National | Globalnews.ca

The problem is though that there is no "gender" field on a Canadian passport, so the "X" will be placed in the "sex" field that is on the Canadian passport.

That's just one problem. The second is that while Canada is OK with putting an "X" in the sex field, other countries are under no obligation to accept this choice. Australians have been able to choose to have an "X" shown in the "sex" field for some time, and some of these Australians have faced difficulties when they arrrive in countries that do not accept the concept.

The Australian authorities offer this advice:
"Sex and gender diverse passport holders should be aware that while Australian travel documents are issued in accordance with international standards, those travelling on a passport showing 'X' in the sex field may encounter difficulties when crossing international borders due to their infrequent use. The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade cannot guarantee that a passport showing 'X' in the sex field will be accepted for entry or transit by another country."

Presumably Canadians who choose this bucket will face the same thing. But hey - so long as they feel good about the misleading information on their passport it's their own choice if they go to places that may give them a hard time.
Your concern is touching.
 

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What's the point of having the sex category on it though? I imagine it is for identification purposes? If so, it's counter productive in cases where the holder possesses, or grooms, a body image that is somewhat ambiguous, or one that doesn't match their sex, or assigned gender, or whatever it is.
Well exactly.

And that's where these people are going to run into problems.

Some countries don't believe in this gender neutral stuff.
 

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Well exactly.

And that's where these people are going to run into problems.

Some countries don't believe in this gender neutral stuff.
Well they will run into problems under the old m/f system too though right, especially for trans-gendered people? Why not just drop it? We have far better ways of establishing identification nowadays anyway.
 

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Ireland should ban any transgender people entering the country who are non-EU citizens. Most of them are HIV+
 

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You can't say cùnt in Canada.
 

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if it keeps the mentally ill off airplanes its all good, can you imagine saying "ladies first" and getting a stilleto in the face

they used to have their own airline

 

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I misread the title as Canada gets sex and grindr mixed up... :lol:

And I thought, isn't that the point?

Alas, the thread is far less salacious than I had hoped and I am off to find my reading glasses.
 

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Well they will run into problems under the old m/f system too though right, especially for trans-gendered people? Why not just drop it? We have far better ways of establishing identification nowadays anyway.
But it's traditional, innit?
 


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