Pat Rabbitte in Anti-Immigration Mode on Morning Ireland

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Did anyone hear Pat Rabbitte on Morning Ireland this morning as I could not believe my ears when he as good as proposed that Ireland should introduce restrictions on immigration from the accession states due to the displacement it is producing in certain sectors, he named the construction, hospitality and meat processing sectors specifically. He cited the Irish Ferries saga, as well as soundings from around the country, as having led to him making this call.

Could people respond just to confirm that I was not still dreaming when I heard this!! I have not heard anything on later news bulletins.

Finally, those of us on who have been making these points on this website, and vilified for expressing them, have support from the mainstream for our views, and from the left to boot. Miracles do happen!

I once started a thread on this site as to whether there was room for an anti-immigation party in Ireland. Are the Labour now seeking to garner this vote. What do Labour Party members think? Check out Morning Ireland on the RTE site if you do not believe me.
 


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Does not suprise me. He is just repeating what I heard Jack O Connor also said on this issue. Over the last few years I was finding it hard to make my mind up between SF and Labour and chose SF. Am glad I did now as Rabitte is just power hungary and Labour are all over the place on so many issues its embarrassing.
 

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Yes I heard it so I think while I am not leftwing I would vote for them now provided they don't reverse this stance. I am a bit annoyed that Rabbitte wouldn't really give a str8 answer to the question on whether he had decided yet to call for such restrictions - instead he said it should be considered. It's good that he mentioned the Services Directive though which would allow companies to pay below they minimum-wage if they are registered in Eastern Europe, and the fact that we have fewer labour-inspectors that counties.

Labour should make FG dropping its support for the Services Directive in its current form a precondition for Coalition with them. FG's MEPs are voting for the S.D. .
 

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So as soon as you realised we weren't the anti-immigration party in Ireland you dropped us like we were hot FT?

Damn we're at 3.999999% in the polls now
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Yes I heard it so I think while I am not leftwing I would vote for them now provided they don't reverse this stance. I am a bit annoyed that Rabbitte wouldn't really give a str8 answer to the question on whether he had decided yet to call for such restrictions - instead he said it should be considered. It's good that he mentioned the Services Directive though which would allow companies to pay below they minimum-wage if they are registered in Eastern Europe, and the fact that we have fewer labour-inspectors that counties.

Labour should make FG dropping its support for the Services Directive in its current form a precondition for Coalition with them. FG's MEPs are voting for the S.D. .
FT, I meant to get on to you regarding your voting intentions for the next election as you previously stated that you were going to maybe vote PD because you perceived them as being strongest on the immigration issue. I think this is very misguided as I feel that irrespective of Mc Dowells perceived strength on asylum seekers, the PD's are in fact the most pro-immigration party in Ireland. It is their IBEC/ISME/small business supporters and members are the most in favour of a plentyful cheap labour supply to keep a lid on and reduce pay and conditions as well as a stick with which to beat the unions. The PD's are Ireland's most pro-immigration party not because of any principalled or altruistic/idealistic reasons as the left would say but rather for pure economic and exploitative reasons.
 

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kerrynorth said:
FT, I meant to get on to you regarding your voting intentions for the next election as you previously stated that you were going to maybe vote PD because you perceived them as being strongest on the immigration issue. I think this is very misguided as I feel that irrespective of Mc Dowells perceived strength on asylum seekers, the PD's are in fact the most pro-immigration party in Ireland. It is their IBEC/ISME/small business supporters and members are the most in favour of a plentyful cheap labour supply to keep a lid on and reduce pay and conditions as well as a stick with which to beat the unions. The PD's are Ireland's most pro-immigration party not because of any principalled or altruistic/idealistic reasons as the left would say but rather for pure economic and exploitative reasons.
Spot on, kerrynorth.

I might also add that while MacDowell gets a lot of flak for deportations and for stating that 90% of asylum-seekers are bogus, given that only of couple of hundred failed refugees are deported yearly (out of about 42,000), you have to question his sincerity.
 

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kerrynorth said:
FT, I meant to get on to you regarding your voting intentions for the next election as you previously stated that you were going to maybe vote PD because you perceived them as being strongest on the immigration issue. I think this is very misguided as I feel that irrespective of Mc Dowells perceived strength on asylum seekers, the PD's are in fact the most pro-immigration party in Ireland. It is their IBEC/ISME/small business supporters and members are the most in favour of a plentyful cheap labour supply to keep a lid on and reduce pay and conditions as well as a stick with which to beat the unions. The PD's are Ireland's most pro-immigration party not because of any principalled or altruistic/idealistic reasons as the left would say but rather for pure economic and exploitative reasons.
Spot on, kerrynorth.

I might also add that while MacDowell gets a lot of flak for deportations and for stating that 90% of asylum-seekers are bogus, given that only of couple of hundred failed refugees are deported yearly (out of about 42,000), you have to question his sincerity.

The actual figures for last year were in I think last Sunday's Trib. There were c. 4300 applications (down 9% on 2004); c.380 deportations; just over 200 were returned to other EU states (obviously had made previous applications elsewhere); and, c.300 voluntary repatriations (chose to go themselves when they realised the jig was up). I think these figures are correct. Still a bad return when you consider that 90%+ are bogus applications.
 

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Does not suprise me. He is just repeating what I heard Jack O Connor also said on this issue. Over the last few years I was finding it hard to make my mind up between SF and Labour and chose SF. Am glad I did now as Rabitte is just power hungary and Labour are all over the place on so many issues its embarrassing.
It could have a very interesting knock-on effect on Brian O'Shea's re-election chances in Waterford.

Regards...jmcc
 

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jmcc said:
The Deise Man said:
Does not suprise me. He is just repeating what I heard Jack O Connor also said on this issue. Over the last few years I was finding it hard to make my mind up between SF and Labour and chose SF. Am glad I did now as Rabitte is just power hungary and Labour are all over the place on so many issues its embarrassing.
It could have a very interesting knock-on effect on Brian O'Shea's re-election chances in Waterford.

Regards...jmcc
what 1 vote? from the deise man? :lol:
 

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kerrynorth said:
FT, I meant to get on to you regarding your voting intentions for the next election as you previously stated that you were going to maybe vote PD because you perceived them as being strongest on the immigration issue. I think this is very misguided as I feel that irrespective of Mc Dowells perceived strength on asylum seekers, the PD's are in fact the most pro-immigration party in Ireland. It is their IBEC/ISME/small business supporters and members are the most in favour of a plentyful cheap labour supply to keep a lid on and reduce pay and conditions as well as a stick with which to beat the unions. The PD's are Ireland's most pro-immigration party not because of any principalled or altruistic/idealistic reasons as the left would say but rather for pure economic and exploitative reasons.
Spot on, kerrynorth.

I might also add that while MacDowell gets a lot of flak for deportations and for stating that 90% of asylum-seekers are bogus, given that only of couple of hundred failed refugees are deported yearly (out of about 42,000), you have to question his sincerity.
Surely you cannot support his preferred way of 'dealing' with immigration? I.e, going to the airport and sending them all home.
 

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FutureTaoiseach said:
Yes I heard it so I think while I am not leftwing I would vote for them now provided they don't reverse this stance. I am a bit annoyed that Rabbitte wouldn't really give a str8 answer to the question on whether he had decided yet to call for such restrictions - instead he said it should be considered. It's good that he mentioned the Services Directive though which would allow companies to pay below they minimum-wage if they are registered in Eastern Europe, and the fact that we have fewer labour-inspectors that counties.

Labour should make FG dropping its support for the Services Directive in its current form a precondition for Coalition with them. FG's MEPs are voting for the S.D. .
FT, I meant to get on to you regarding your voting intentions for the next election as you previously stated that you were going to maybe vote PD because you perceived them as being strongest on the immigration issue. I think this is very misguided as I feel that irrespective of Mc Dowells perceived strength on asylum seekers, the PD's are in fact the most pro-immigration party in Ireland. It is their IBEC/ISME/small business supporters and members are the most in favour of a plentyful cheap labour supply to keep a lid on and reduce pay and conditions as well as a stick with which to beat the unions. The PD's are Ireland's most pro-immigration party not because of any principalled or altruistic/idealistic reasons as the left would say but rather for pure economic and exploitative reasons.
Kerrynorth I now accept your assertions regarding the PD's on legal immigration. It could still be argued however that they are tougher on asylum-seekers to a degree in the sense that 10,000 would-be illegal immigrants were refused "permission to land". I've lost faith in them now anyway.

I might also add that while MacDowell gets a lot of flak for deportations and for stating that 90% of asylum-seekers are bogus, given that only of couple of hundred failed refugees are deported yearly (out of about 42,000), you have to question his sincerity.
Figures already released in 2005 showed that 60% of those against whom deportation-orders were issued are on the run, with just 23% carried out and a further 17% tied up in the courts. It has no bearing on his sincerity. And you are conveniently ignoring the 300 or so who were going to be deported but instead chose to be assisted to voluntarily return home. And the additional 200+ who were returned to another EU country under the Dublin Convention having been found to have previously claimed asylum in another EU state. That brings removals to 800.

So as soon as you realised we weren't the anti-immigration party in Ireland you dropped us like we were hot FT?

Damn we're at 3.999999% in the polls now
Are you referring to the PD's? Are they your party? BTW their apparent support (as demonstrated by Harney's vetoing of an increase in the paltry 17 labour-inspectors when ETE minister) for displacement, exploitation and the race to the bottom which have as their root causes immigration is indeed why I am turning against them.
 

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magic_norhan said:
jmcc said:
[quote="The Deise Man":1uzn9o1l]Does not suprise me. He is just repeating what I heard Jack O Connor also said on this issue. Over the last few years I was finding it hard to make my mind up between SF and Labour and chose SF. Am glad I did now as Rabitte is just power hungary and Labour are all over the place on so many issues its embarrassing.
It could have a very interesting knock-on effect on Brian O'Shea's re-election chances in Waterford.

Regards...jmcc
what 1 vote? from the deise man? :lol:[/quote:1uzn9o1l]Ah well it is just that Labour TDs are quite rare unlike the now extinct PD TD around these parts. :)

And that one vote could make all the difference. Though in real terms, immigration would be more of an issue in what once was Labour's heartland. Since Labour has largely deserted that demographic to become yet another middle-class, middle of the road party, SF has been making inroads into Labour's traditional areas. Now this reversal could put SF on the defensive and lead to some very dirty and quite divisive campaigning. I would not be at all surprised to see the politically correct types getting severe reality checks as it all comes down to money.

Regards...jmcc
 

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kerrynorth said:
Did anyone hear Pat Rabbitte on Morning Ireland this morning as I could not believe my ears when he as good as proposed that Ireland should introduce restrictions on immigration from the accession states due to the displacement it is producing in certain sectors, he named the construction, hospitality and meat processing sectors specifically. He cited the Irish Ferries saga, as well as soundings from around the country, as having led to him making this call.
To be honest, I don't know why you couldn't believe your ears. If nothing else, at least the man is consistent on this issue, unlike some people who call for a lenient stance on immigration yet, at the same time, complain about immigrants taking Irish jobs. I don't agree that we should restrict immigration from Eastern Europe but I know a number of people who took part in the recent "national day of protest" because they were frustrated that immigrants were taking jobs in this country.
 

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kerrynorth said:
martan said:
kerrynorth said:
FT, I meant to get on to you regarding your voting intentions for the next election as you previously stated that you were going to maybe vote PD because you perceived them as being strongest on the immigration issue. I think this is very misguided as I feel that irrespective of Mc Dowells perceived strength on asylum seekers, the PD's are in fact the most pro-immigration party in Ireland. It is their IBEC/ISME/small business supporters and members are the most in favour of a plentyful cheap labour supply to keep a lid on and reduce pay and conditions as well as a stick with which to beat the unions. The PD's are Ireland's most pro-immigration party not because of any principalled or altruistic/idealistic reasons as the left would say but rather for pure economic and exploitative reasons.
Spot on, kerrynorth.

I might also add that while MacDowell gets a lot of flak for deportations and for stating that 90% of asylum-seekers are bogus, given that only of couple of hundred failed refugees are deported yearly (out of about 42,000), you have to question his sincerity.

The actual figures for last year were in I think last Sunday's Trib. There were c. 4300 applications (down 9% on 2004); c.380 deportations; just over 200 were returned to other EU states (obviously had made previous applications elsewhere); and, c.300 voluntary repatriations (chose to go themselves when they realised the jig was up). I think these figures are correct. Still a bad return when you consider that 90%+ are bogus applications.
Yeah folks and lets not forget the other programme for bringing Refugees in here. The one where we work with the UNHCR and people are processed abroad before being allowed to settle here.

Does anyone know where we can get those figures for the year gone by and previous years?
 

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Yeah folks and lets not forget the other programme for bringing Refugees in here. The one where we work with the UNHCR and people are processed abroad before being allowed to settle here.
That must be the one where we gave them Mary Robinson and got a pile of refugees in return. Frankly we may have gotten the better end of the deal. ;)

Regards...jmcc
 

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Catalpa said:
Yeah folks and lets not forget the other programme for bringing Refugees in here. The one where we work with the UNHCR and people are processed abroad before being allowed to settle here.
That must be the one where we gave them Mary Robinson and got a pile of refugees in return. Frankly we may have gotten the better end of the deal. ;)

Regards...jmcc
Wrong High Commission, I'm afraid.
 

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Does anyone know where I can get a bobble-head doll of Mary Robinson?... That would be hilarious!!!!
(PM me if you dont get the joke I dont want to bring down the tone of the post)
 

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jmcc said:
Catalpa said:
Yeah folks and lets not forget the other programme for bringing Refugees in here. The one where we work with the UNHCR and people are processed abroad before being allowed to settle here.
That must be the one where we gave them Mary Robinson and got a pile of refugees in return. Frankly we may have gotten the better end of the deal. ;)

Regards...jmcc
:D :D :D
 


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