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Pat Rabbitte nails FF Property Tax Lie


flavirostris

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Good to hear Pat Rabbitte nail Fianna Fáil's lies over the Property Tax on Claire Byrne earlier. He was asked about some parties disagreeing as to the necessity of the property tax and he replied "I want to nail that now as a lie". He spoke about FF and SF coming out of Troika briefings and giving the utterly disingenuous impression that the Troika did not care about this as long as equivalent savings were found. He made it clear that it is a specific Troika directive and one that FF negotiated.

FF have been getting away with this total falsehood for too long. Good on Rabbitte for flagging it.
 
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Good to hear Pat Rabbitte nail Fianna Fáil's lies over the Property Tax on Claire Byrne earlier. He was asked about some parties disagreeing as to the necessity of the property tax and he replied "I want to nail that now as a lie". He spoke about FF and SF coming out of Troika briefings and giving the utterly disingenuous impression that the Troika did not care about this as long as equivalent savings were found. He made it clear that it is a specific Troika directive and one that FF negotiated.

FF have been getting away with this total falsehood for too long. Good on Rabbitte for flagging it.
Are you suggesting that the Troika are meddling in domestic politics to the extent that we no longer have any discretion in how we raise funding? That if Enda tells them he'll raise the projected funds from a wealth tax, or a hike in motor tax, or whatever, he'll be told where to get off? If that is the case it only confirms that this government badly needs to grow a pair - if they can't change the details, while still achieving the projected revenue or saving then they are no longer a functioning government. And if what you quote is accurate it means the Troika are not only addressing economic and fiscal issues but are, in fact, setting the political agenda.
 

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Good to hear Pat Rabbitte nail Fianna Fáil's lies over the Property Tax on Claire Byrne earlier. He was asked about some parties disagreeing as to the necessity of the property tax and he replied "I want to nail that now as a lie". He spoke about FF and SF coming out of Troika briefings and giving the utterly disingenuous impression that the Troika did not care about this as long as equivalent savings were found. He made it clear that it is a specific Troika directive and one that FF negotiated.

FF have been getting away with this total falsehood for too long. Good on Rabbitte for flagging it.
Fianna Fail's budget proposals contain a property tax-the 100 euro charge.
 

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Typical bluster from Plump Bunny.

Bunny will talk about anything but discuss the working people's PAYE being thrown at failed capitalist gamblers holding Seanie Bonds.
 

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Are you suggesting that the Troika are meddling in domestic politics to the extent that we no longer have any discretion in how we raise funding? That if Enda tells them he'll raise the projected funds from a wealth tax, or a hike in motor tax, or whatever, he'll be told where to get off? If that is the case it only confirms that this government badly needs to grow a pair - if they can't change the details, while still achieving the projected revenue or saving then they are no longer a functioning government. And if what you quote is accurate it means the Troika are not only addressing economic and fiscal issues but are, in fact, setting the political agenda.
I assume the minister offered to forgo half of his salary until he regains the power to decide which taxes his cabinet can impose. Just to be consistent. Or is he trying to make it appear that a property tax brought in by a FG/Labour government has nothing to do with him, his party or coalition partners (it was the bad boys who ran away!)
 

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Ok FF lied.

Now lets back to the property tax Pat Rabbittes government are going to announce next week.
 
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I assume the minister offered to forgo half of his salary until he regains the power to decide which taxes his cabinet can impose. Just to be consistent. Or is he trying to make it appear that a property tax brought in by a FG/Labour government has nothing to do with him, his party or coalition partners (it was the bad boys who ran away!)
It's just standard FG/Lab response to all questions about their policies - they had somebody on PK yesterday, Regina Doherty I think, and she got so tied up defending her own lot and attacking the opposition policies that she succeeded in neither endeavour.
 

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Are you suggesting that the Troika are meddling in domestic politics to the extent that we no longer have any discretion in how we raise funding? That if Enda tells them he'll raise the projected funds from a wealth tax, or a hike in motor tax, or whatever, he'll be told where to get off? If that is the case it only confirms that this government badly needs to grow a pair - if they can't change the details, while still achieving the projected revenue or saving then they are no longer a functioning government. And if what you quote is accurate it means the Troika are not only addressing economic and fiscal issues but are, in fact, setting the political agenda.
Brave words Sailor, brave words.

You seem to have forgotten that the country had run out of money until the troika stepped in.
That comes with conditions. That's life.
 
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Brave words Sailor, brave words.

You seem to have forgotten that the country had run out of money until the troika stepped in.
That comes with conditions. That's life.
The country hadn't run out of money - Lenihan got railroaded by Trichet into a deal that precluded any debt sharing with Europe sooner than he needed to.
 

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Brave words Sailor, brave words.

You seem to have forgotten that the country had run out of money until the troika stepped in.
That comes with conditions. That's life.
Meh who cares what that clown thinks.

He is just a died in the wool FFer who can't deal with irrelevancy.
 

An Gilladaker

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Good to hear Pat Rabbitte nail Fianna Fáil's lies over the Property Tax on Claire Byrne earlier. He was asked about some parties disagreeing as to the necessity of the property tax and he replied "I want to nail that now as a lie". He spoke about FF and SF coming out of Troika briefings and giving the utterly disingenuous impression that the Troika did not care about this as long as equivalent savings were found. He made it clear that it is a specific Troika directive and one that FF negotiated.

FF have been getting away with this total falsehood for too long. Good on Rabbitte for flagging it.
Could Pat Rabbitte not have used something sticky instead of nails:lol:
 
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Did you miss the last 4 years?
The position of all parties has always been that we had discretion in the details of taxation and cuts so long as they met the targets. Now this government seem to have conceded even that small bit of sovereignty - and the Troika are now dictating not just economic targets but the political means to achieving them. That is something that should really concern Labour as it means you are now open to having right-wing politics imposed on you - and if Rabbitte is correct, there's damn all you can do about it. Time to get out Seabhcan, before oblivion beckons!
 
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Meh who cares what that clown thinks.

He is just a died in the wool FFer who can't deal with irrelevancy.
Go on Marv - say something that isn't just a Neanderthal grunt, just to prove you're not as thick as we all think.
 

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Plump Bunny attacking FFinished does not equate to fixing any of the problems that his government are supposed to be fixing, with their absurdly high salaries.

But Bunny does seem to think that it will serve the pupose of distracting the people from the fact that the Blueshirts and the Stickies have no phucking clue what they are doing. Aprat from sticking their own cronies into state jobs, of course.
 

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The country hadn't run out of money - Lenihan got railroaded by Trichet into a deal that precluded any debt sharing with Europe sooner than he needed to.
How much money do we have to borrow each year to keep basic services operating.
 

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Go on Marv - say something that isn't just a Neanderthal grunt, just to prove you're not as thick as we all think.
Ah is that the best you can do. Poor little pet.

I must have given the impression I care for your opinion.

Apologies.
 

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That has nothing to do with the point to which I was responding.
We were unable to meet our expenses, completely separate to the banking issue.

It had everything to do with the point you were responding to.
 

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He's nailed nothing. It's his word against them, and lets face it, they're all liars.
 
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