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making waves

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The household charge had a 66% compliance rate. A remarkable figure when you consider that it was the utterly useless county councils in charge of collection. If people left bags of money on their doorstep they wouldn’t collect It.

as to your typically nonsensical claim of well over 1 million Households boycotting it, if 66% complied that means that less than 500,000 didnt comply.

and that 500,000 includes god knows how many who weren’t even asked for it.

but dont worry about facts. Stick with your usual bullshit.
Really -

The so-called 66% compliance rating that was touted by Phil Hogan in October 2012 was based on the claim that there 1.6million houses levied with the charge. It later emerged that it was actually levied on 1,944,246 properties - which brings the compliance rate down to just over 54% - on top of that more than 475,000 households were renting property and were not liable for the Household Charge - this meant that the actual compliance rate from households owning and living in their own homes in the state was just over 31%.
 

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Really -

The so-called 66% compliance rating that was touted by Phil Hogan in October 2012 was based on the claim that there 1.6million houses levied with the charge. It later emerged that it was actually levied on 1,944,246 properties - which brings the compliance rate down to just over 54% - on top of that more than 475,000 households were renting property and were not liable for the Household Charge - this meant that the actual compliance rate from households owning and living in their own homes in the state was just over 31%.
yawn

dream on
 

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Of course that's absolutely untrue.

They all, as you acknowledge, were paid their TDs salary and expenses and they all disposed of it as they saw fit. If they saw fit to pay some of it into an account for political and charitable activity then that was their choice.

It's no different to other TDs who spend some of their salary for political activities which they hope will help them get re-elected.

Neither is it different to someone choosing to pay golf club membership or gifting a share of their salary to a church or a charity.

Claims by political parties that their elected members live on the AIW are always lies.
This is all semantics.

If someone is in a political party that only allows them access X percent of their TD's salary for their personal use and disposes of the rest as the party sees fit it is not exactly the same (or no different as you claim) to being in a political party where a TD takes home 100% of their salary for their personal use as they see fit.

I think most people will recognise this.
 

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This is all semantics.

If someone is in a political party that only allows them access X percent of their TD's salary for their personal use and disposes of the rest as the party sees fit it is not exactly the same (or no different as you claim) to being in a political party where a TD takes home 100% of their salary for their personal use as they see fit.

I think most people will recognise this.
It's not semantics at all but a bald statement of the facts.

SP TDs take home every last cent they're entitled to in salary and expenses. If they see fit to spend rather more of their income on political activities than other TDs do then that's their choice.

They can at any time make different choices because their salaries and expenses are their own to do with as they wish.
 

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This is all semantics.

If someone is in a political party that only allows them access X percent of their TD's salary for their personal use and disposes of the rest as the party sees fit it is not exactly the same (or no different as you claim) to being in a political party where a TD takes home 100% of their salary for their personal use as they see fit.

I think most people will recognise this.
most people recognise that when someone is paid a salary it is theirs to do so as they wish.. if they decide to join a cult and pay that cult money that’s their business

some spend their money on cults, others on beer, others on women, some more on children, on food, etc etc etc

but please don’t spend your money on your favourite thing and then claim that all “you take home” is the balance
 

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The household charge was boycotted by well over 1 million households - the property tax was introduced as part of the draconian legislation to replace it. Less than 200,000 people voluntarily registered to pay the property tax - for everyone else it was taken out of their wages/welfare.
So our middleclass left appose property tax. While all others abroad demand it, Only in Ireland.
 

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most people recognise that when someone is paid a salary it is theirs to do so as they wish.. if they decide to join a cult and pay that cult money that’s their business

some spend their money on cults, others on beer, others on women, some more on children, on food, etc etc etc

but please don’t spend your money on your favourite thing and then claim that all “you take home” is the balance
Bit like Tom Cruse handing over 25% to his chosen cult
 

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The left opposes regressive taxes that shift the tax burden from rich to poor - the left supports progressive taxation based on ability to pay.
I though you lot believe property is theft, Which is the reason why real lefties want it taxed.
Unless you live in nice middleclass areas were house values are high.
 

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I though you lot believe property is theft, Which is the reason why real lefties want it taxed.
Unless you live in nice middleclass areas were house values are high.
Property is not theft - ownership and control of property for exploitation is theft - wage slavery is theft.

As for those on the 'left' who support regressive property taxes - well that would be the neo-liberal loving 'Blairites' of the former social democracies across Europe - hardly what anyone except the Trumpers would call 'left' anymore.
 

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Try reading back on the thread instead of shoving both feet into your mouth with your first post on the topic.
Try answering the question instead of dodging around. It a pure con job by the socialist party telling the public their TD's are living on the average industrial wage when they are allowed claim living expenses from the party on top of it.
 

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Did not Lenin say ''the goal of socialism is communism'' and as history has shown us communism is oppressive and has been a massive failure worldwise.
 

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Try answering the question instead of dodging around. It a pure con job by the socialist party telling the public their TD's are living on the average industrial wage when they are allowed claim living expenses from the party on top of it.
How much money do they get in expenses? I believe the SP only have 1 TD now though.
 

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Try answering the question instead of dodging around. It a pure con job by the socialist party telling the public their TD's are living on the average industrial wage when they are allowed claim living expenses from the party on top of it.
I have answered the question - read the previous post here -
Paul Murphy has left the Socialist Party

And to be absolutely categorical about it - TDs who are members of the Socialist Party do not and are not allowed to 'claim living expenses from the party'.
 

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It's not semantics at all but a bald statement of the facts.
No. It's clearly semantics.

SP TDs take home every last cent they're entitled to in salary and expenses. If they see fit to spend rather more of their income on political activities than other TDs do then that's their choice.
Not their choice as a SP TD or a TD of any other party imposing such restrictions.

They can at any time make different choices because their salaries and expenses are their own to do with as they wish.
Not unless they leave the SP or any other party imposing such restrictions.
 

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Did not Lenin say ''the goal of socialism is communism'' and as history has shown us communism is oppressive and has been a massive failure worldwise.
This post just serves to display a most woeful ignorance of what is meant by communism.

I would respectfully suggest that you go and do some reading before pontificating on subjects you most clearly know absolutely nothing about.
 

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Property is not theft - ownership and control of property for exploitation is theft - wage slavery is theft.

As for those on the 'left' who support regressive property taxes - well that would be the neo-liberal loving 'Blairites' of the former social democracies across Europe - hardly what anyone except the Trumpers would call 'left' anymore.
I can see now why there are some many splits in the Irish left.
This post just serves to display a most woeful ignorance of what is meant by communism.

I would respectfully suggest that you go and do some reading before pontificating on subjects you most clearly know absolutely nothing about.
We know exactly what communism is, there are plenty of the pitiful examples
laying around, Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, Zimbabwe ,and all the African st1tholes. It seems under communism you will be in the group along with the lefty middleclass academics that will be "disappeared" by the party for protesting that "This is not what the book said"
 

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We know exactly what communism is, there are plenty of the pitiful examples
laying around, Cuba, USSR, Venezuela, Zimbabwe ,and all the African st1tholes. It seems under communism you will be in the group along with the lefty middleclass academics that will be "disappeared" by the party for protesting that "This is not what the book said"
Another one with absolutely no understanding of the meaning of the word communism and equally unashamed to display their abject ignorance.

The only sh1thole is the one you inhabit, btw.
 

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Another one with absolutely no understanding of the meaning of the word communism and equally unashamed to display their abject ignorance.

The only sh1thole is the one you inhabit, btw.
We lack practical examples of your communism. Are you talking the Israeli Kibbutz system?
 

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