Paul Williams costs us millions.

James Healy

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Two full time plain clothes gardai protect Paul Williams. This may be somewhat justified by threats to him, but it is necessary full time ? Given that it takes 5 garda to provide 24/7 protection per unit with leave, time off etc,, this means that in effect ten gardai are full time protecting him. With pay, overtime, subsistence allowance etc, the cost for the past few years must have reached millions by now. And is it healthy for a crime reporter to be so embedded with the gardai,and do they feed off each other, as Vincent Browne often alleges.
 


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Two full time plain clothes gardai protect Paul Williams. This may be somewhat justified by threats to him, but it is necessary full time ? Given that it takes 5 garda to provide 24/7 protection per unit with leave, time off etc,, this means that in effect ten gardai are full time protecting him. With pay, overtime, subsistence allowance etc, the cost for the past few years must have reached millions by now. And is it healthy for a crime reporter to be so embedded with the gardai,and do they feed off each other, as Vincent Browne often alleges.
Seems like a lot of money to spend protecting a fiction writer. At least Rushdie wrote good fiction.
 

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Seems like a lot of money to spend protecting a fiction writer. At least Rushdie wrote good fiction.


And it gives him a sense of importance- he probably feels like a Minister or other VIP.
 

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In view of the Veronica Guerin thing it may be that garda have to protect him as they could not tolerate another journo being taken out. But here is a point, if his paper and Williams are making huge money out of the crime business which they are, should they not contribute to the cost of security the same way as banks do for protection ?
 

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In view of the Veronica Guerin thing it may be that garda have to protect him as they could not tolerate another journo being taken out. But here is a point, if his paper and Williams are making huge money out of the crime business which they are, should they not contribute to the cost of security the same way as banks do for protection ?
abso-bloody-lutely!

or just place him under house arrest until he dies of old age.
 

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And is it healthy for a crime reporter to be so embedded with the gardai,
Are you saying it could have an effect on his judgment about other things, such as the documentary he made about Shell and the Gardaí in Mayo?

No! Say it isn't so!
 

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Williams was on de late late a few years ago and basically said people who use internet cafes were all paeodphiles. He said something along the lines of 'what do you think all those guys are doing in internet cafes all day Pat?'
It showed
A: his penchant for exaggeration, making leaps and sensationalism; And
B: his understanding of crime (I'd imagine paedos tend to have internet access at home)
He's a parasite.
 

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Are you saying it could have an effect on his judgment about other things, such as the documentary he made about Shell and the Gardaí in Mayo?

No! Say it isn't so!
Did not the BCC rule on that programme ?
 

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Did not the BCC rule on that programme ?
I only hope that nobody still thinks it was good, true, honest or anything else positive? Made in the most corrupt era Ireland has ever known by the most corrupt "investigator" Ireland has ever known, it will be the ultimate shame for TV3 forever. Hope TV3 have now had the sense to cremate this unbelievable con job forever .......and demanded their money back from the Williams & Gregg liars!
 

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How does he have all those top secret meetings with sources who sound like they're Wind in the Willows characters with 2 garda babysitting him?
 

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I think the paper he works for should hire privet security to mind him .then there will be no more waste of our money.
 

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How does he have all those top secret meetings with sources who sound like they're Wind in the Willows characters with 2 garda babysitting him?
He probably meets them in underground car parks Deep Throat style, while the minders are up in the bar and he tells them he's going to the jacks privately.
 

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Williams and NoTW get little choice in the matter - the 24/7 protection is a Garda call.

Veronica Guerin was given armed Garda protection after she was shot in the leg at home. She later asked for it to be withdrawn because she felt it hindered her work. What happened next?

While Garda Commisioner believes there is a credible threat to the life of Paul Williams, he will be guarded 24-7 - just as solicitor John Hennessy and Steve Collins and his family are.

Should their protection be withdrawn too just because it costs money?

There are 28 armed detectives protecting the Collins family in Limerick. Should that be scaled back because it is a drain on Garda resources?

We live in a democracy and one of the fundamentals of that democracy is that we have a free press. If journalists are shot down just because some thugs don't like what is written about them then we no longer have a free press. Is that what people here want?
 

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Williams and NoTW get little choice in the matter - the 24/7 protection is a Garda call.

Veronica Guerin was given armed Garda protection after she was shot in the leg at home. She later asked for it to be withdrawn because she felt it hindered her work. What happened next?

While Garda Commisioner believes there is a credible threat to the life of Paul Williams, he will be guarded 24-7 - just as solicitor John Hennessy and Steve Collins and his family are.

Should their protection be withdrawn too just because it costs money?

There are 28 armed detectives protecting the Collins family in Limerick. Should that be scaled back because it is a drain on Garda resources?

We live in a democracy and one of the fundamentals of that democracy is that we have a free press. If journalists are shot down just because some thugs don't like what is written about them then we no longer have a free press. Is that what people here want?
Crime correspondents and the Gardai feed off each other. I think that if a newspaper sets out to sell itself in the populist crime reporting business, then it should also pay for some of the security.
 

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Wtf!

Gather that's the right abbreviation.

Here we have James Healy and Tomas Mor bitchin' about cop security for Paul Williams yet they are two of the least analytically critical commentators on this site regarding what Williams and the cops spin about Shell to Sea.

Truly bewildering.

That said, if the two of you have seen the light and started to question any aspect of this rotten state - Fáilte Úi Cheallaigh róimh!
 

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I think the paper he works for should hire privet security to mind him .then there will be no more waste of our money.
The best point put forward on the thread. Why am I paying for the protection of one citizen of the state when it leaves the vast majority to fend for themselves? How many women have been left battered and bleeding because the Gardai didn't want to get involved in a 'domestic'?
 

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How does he have all those top secret meetings with sources who sound like they're Wind in the Willows characters with 2 garda babysitting him?
:p:p The famous drug dealers Ratty, Badger, Mole and Mr Toad.
Don't remember anyone in Wind in the Willows called The General, mind you.


Look, staying alive is pretty important for us all. If the guy needs protection, so be it. If they remove his detail and then something happens.....Nobody wants to set that ball rolling. Who is going to make that call? There are worse black holes into which tax payers' money is being flung.
 

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Williams has always uttered the Garda line.Lets not forget that if drugs were taken away from the dealers then a lot of empires in an Garda would crumble.
Williams has always advocated that we continue with the futile option of locking up the baron's.
If we put the barons out of business,Would his C.V. be attractive??
 

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Williams has always uttered the Garda line.Lets not forget that if drugs were taken away from the dealers then a lot of empires in an Garda would crumble.
Williams has always advocated that we continue with the futile option of locking up the baron's.
If we put the barons out of business,Would his C.V. be attractive??

Just strikes me,as a matter of interest what has Williams ever achieved with his writing ? On the yardstick that gangland drug related murders continue apace and without check, what has his meanderings done to alleviate the situation. His insider knowledge of Fat this and that , the Rat, The Frog and all those daft names, has meant nothing, only taking up valuable time of the garda protecting him and costing us a fortune. That is not akin to the protection affored the Collins family in Limerick, or the Dublin solicitor, they did not go sticking their necks out to establish a media career,and sell papers. Williams got his first break in investigative journalism with the Leitrim Observer which has a circulation of a few thousand !
 

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I only hope that nobody still thinks it was good, true, honest or anything else positive? Made in the most corrupt era Ireland has ever known by the most corrupt "investigator" Ireland has ever known, it will be the ultimate shame for TV3 forever. Hope TV3 have now had the sense to cremate this unbelievable con job forever .......and demanded their money back from the Williams & Gregg liars!
TV3 is the Gutter Press of Visual Media,rank in the extreme,its "The SUN" for those to lazy or incapable of reading the rags.
 


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