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Peak SF

kittykat

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The SF result north of the border is down 2.5%. They have been stung a little in their heartland by a Trot. There will probably be two articulate nihilist critics in the next Stormont to make their lives difficult in government.

In the South a new crowd has been cobbled together with some goodies being given out to localist indos down the country at the expense of SF’s more urban base, with FF persisting in staying in opposition and the LP having been badly mauled but in opposition to the liberal right of SF

The next election will be a choice between FG & FF and who will support them. SF has said they won’t. The last election was as good a chance as SF will have to break through but the Indos and the Trots took a large number of seats
Now both north and south SF have loons threatening their left which limits their chances of tacking to the center to broaden their support as Paul Murphy showed in Tallaght.
The “War” leadership is reaching the end of days and the economy in the south is broadly improving


Have we seen or are we approaching Peak SF?
 


devoutcapitalist

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Having to take unpopular and necessary decisions costs votes, something SF is now belated discovering in Northern Ireland even if they only have limited devolution.
 

johnnypockets

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The economy continues to improve. SF had their best chance ever in the election just gone.
 

Novos

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The SF result north of the border is down 2.5%. They have been stung a little in their heartland by a Trot. There will probably be two articulate nihilist critics in the next Stormont to make their lives difficult in government.

In the South a new crowd has been cobbled together with some goodies being given out to localist indos down the country at the expense of SF’s more urban base, with FF persisting in staying in opposition and the LP having been badly mauled but in opposition to the liberal right of SF

The next election will be a choice between FG & FF and who will support them. SF has said they won’t. The last election was as good a chance as SF will have to break through but the Indos and the Trots took a large number of seats
Now both north and south SF have loons threatening their left which limits their chances of tacking to the center to broaden their support as Paul Murphy showed in Tallaght.
The “War” leadership is reaching the end of days and the economy in the south is broadly improving


Have we seen or are we approaching Peak SF?
It's been coming. Their percentages have dropped the last 4 elections, if I remember correctly. But this year 100 years after 2016 they were expecting to do a lot better. 12 thousand less votes than last time is a reality check. They peaked in the North about 3 years ago. I think this is their peak in the South now.
 

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The SF result north of the border is down 2.5%. They have been stung a little in their heartland by a Trot. There will probably be two articulate nihilist critics in the next Stormont to make their lives difficult in government.

In the South a new crowd has been cobbled together with some goodies being given out to localist indos down the country at the expense of SF’s more urban base, with FF persisting in staying in opposition and the LP having been badly mauled but in opposition to the liberal right of SF

The next election will be a choice between FG & FF and who will support them. SF has said they won’t. The last election was as good a chance as SF will have to break through but the Indos and the Trots took a large number of seats
Now both north and south SF have loons threatening their left which limits their chances of tacking to the center to broaden their support as Paul Murphy showed in Tallaght.
The “War” leadership is reaching the end of days and the economy in the south is broadly improving


Have we seen or are we approaching Peak SF?
It isn't just the series of disasters - SF made all sorts of promises in NI and they haven't delivered and people have seen through them.

That is SF NI - SF ROI are in effect a different party and in a different position and face different challenges. They won't go any further with the Nordie Poison of Adams at the Helm, controlled by the Army Council. And People in the ROI can see how they behave in office in NI and they make FF and FG look good.
 

eoinmcneil

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The SF result north of the border is down 2.5%. They have been stung a little in their heartland by a Trot. There will probably be two articulate nihilist critics in the next Stormont to make their lives difficult in government.

In the South a new crowd has been cobbled together with some goodies being given out to localist indos down the country at the expense of SF’s more urban base, with FF persisting in staying in opposition and the LP having been badly mauled but in opposition to the liberal right of SF

The next election will be a choice between FG & FF and who will support them. SF has said they won’t. The last election was as good a chance as SF will have to break through but the Indos and the Trots took a large number of seats
Now both north and south SF have loons threatening their left which limits their chances of tacking to the center to broaden their support as Paul Murphy showed in Tallaght.
The “War” leadership is reaching the end of days and the economy in the south is broadly improving


Have we seen or are we approaching Peak SF?
i don't think so as far as the south is concerned. Could be a different story in the north.
 

Cruimh

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It's been coming. Their percentages have dropped the last 4 elections, if I remember correctly. But this year 100 years after 2016 they were expecting to do a lot better. 12 thousand less votes than last time is a reality check. They peaked in the North about 3 years ago. I think this is their peak in the South now.
They got playing on 2016 all wrong - and ended up trying to use the Hunger Strikers in NI which did them no favours.
 

mr_anderson

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Ireland has never been a 'lefty' state.
Hence both main parties are both centre-right.

All SF can hope for is to take Labour votes (as they moved too far right).
But basically they are fighting over an always-small part of the pie.
 

curiousorange

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Another recession and SF will be primed to make further gains.
probably, but FF would be first to capitalise right now. A resurgent FF is bad news for them.

But certainly the Shinners on here are always desperate for economic bad times. They were wetting themselves in excitement about the scare story from RBS pundits at the start of the year about a new recession. And they hate any stories about new jobs.
 

devoutcapitalist

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It isn't just the series of disasters - SF made all sorts of promises in NI and they haven't delivered and people have seen through them.

That is SF NI - SF ROI are in effect a different party and in a different position and face different challenges. They won't go any further with the Nordie Poison of Adams at the Helm, controlled by the Army Council. And People in the ROI can see how they behave in office in NI and they make FF and FG look good.
Surely they can't be beyond worse than useless.
 

Truth.ie

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They sent Mc Guinness to Derry, their biggest hitter......and received 2000 less votes than in 2011.
And still trailed behind the SDLP number of votes (which is in local disarray)
 

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Fascinating - didnt realise Stormont was a devolved assembly within the 26.

Turnout in all constituencies is around the 50% mark. There are many reasons for that, none of which will interest kttykat.

So are the DUP doomed as well ?

SDLP have been creamed - their worst result ever. Any thoughts about that? :)

I do love a Southerner suddenly showing an interest in an NI election, and always, always, always about one party.
 

Truth.ie

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Fascinating - didnt realise Stormont was a devolved assembly within the 26.

Turnout in all constituencies is around the 50% mark. There are many reasons for that, none of which will interest kttykat.

So are the DUP doomed as well ?

SDLP have been creamed - their worst result ever. Any thoughts about that? :)

I do love a Southerner suddenly showing an interest in an NI election, and always, always, always about one party.
What parochial nonsense.
You seem to hate your fellow Irish men and women in the 26 more than the Unionists.
Like Sidewinder with tits.
 

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They sent Mc Guinness to Derry, their biggest hitter......and received 2000 less votes than in 2011.
And still trailed behind the SDLP number of votes (which is in local disarray)
I have heard from people that I trust that Sinn Fein's authoritarian position within the party on abortion (their refusal to allow MLAs and TDs to have a free vote on the issue) is turning a lot of people who voted for them before off them- than there is the fact that they are against Catholic education in the ROI so people naturally wonder what is coming down the line in NI?
 

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I have heard from people that I trust that Sinn Fein's authoritarian position within the party on abortion (their refusal to allow MLAs and TDs to have a free vote on the issue) is turning a lot of people who voted for them before off them- than there is the fact that they are against Catholic education in the ROI so people naturally wonder what is coming down the line in NI?
All religious education should be taken out of the school system. This should apply to all religions and all schools.

Dogma has no part in the school system, it belongs in the home.
 

GDPR

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What parochial nonsense.
You seem to hate your fellow Irish men and women in the 26 more than the Unionists.
Like Sidewinder with tits.
Oh dear did I ruin your little narrative, whatever it was?

Oh yes, I hate SF, stop all the immigration, Mussies stink, hang the b*itches who have abortions ...

Please do carry on. You are an ornament to these Boards. terribly persuasive and convincing :)
 

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