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Pigeons, meet Cat! Ireland to lose 1 EU Seat


MacCoise2

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With Croatia's accession Ireland will lose an EU seat by the looks of it.

That leaves us with 14, -11 in the south.

That is a really complicated number and means 4 constituencies won't work anymore.

So what are the options?

A greater Dublin and then ther rest split by a Dublin-Galway line?

A North West Border north Midland, Dublin and the Rest?

Im possible to say who benefits of course but even sitting MEPs will be looking to see how their base might need shifting.
 


Bobcolebrooke

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With Croatia's accession Ireland will lose an EU seat by the looks of it.

That leaves us with 14, -11 in the south.

That is a really complicated number and means 4 constituencies won't work anymore.

So what are the options?

A greater Dublin and then ther rest split by a Dublin-Galway line?

A North West Border north Midland, Dublin and the Rest?

Im possible to say who benefits of course but even sitting MEPs will be looking to see how their base might need shifting.
What is wrong with a single constituency?
 

Grey Area

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Just tell Gay to move to the Vatican - problem sorted!
 

MacCoise2

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Sure - how we divvy up our EP seats is up to us.
I know it is up to us- just wondering if there were not domestic laws/conventions in place stipulating that contsituencies had to be between 3 and 5 seats
 

MacCoise2

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I would be all in favour of a single constituemncty but it woukld hvae to be a list realistically and that aint going to happen.
 

Passer-by

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I know it is up to us- just wondering if there were not domestic laws/conventions in place stipulating that contsituencies had to be between 3 and 5 seats
There is nothing in the constitution about the European elections at all so the relevant laws then are EU law on the matter plus relevant acts of the Oireachtas (which can be changed obviously).

The EU laws on it are very basic. They specify the elections must be held over a particular weekend and the voting system used MUST be EITHER a list PR system (of which there are half a dozen or so broken down into open or closed systems) OR an STV PR system. As we were the only member state using STV at the time, the latter is very much a concession to Ireland (as indeed was the long time frame for voting as counting STV takes forever by electoral standards).

Hence, although the option of 11 1-seat constituencies probably wouldn't count as a PR system (as that is AV a semi-proportional system), other than that the Oireachtas gets free choice on what system it implements.

I'd suspect 2 3-seaters plus 1 5-seater is most liklely altough particularly in the case of the current North-West constituency, I think it is horribly ungainly with increasingly little logic behind it.
 

asterix

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How come the RoI has lost 4 seats since the first EP election, but NI still has 3?
RoI is still doing better than NI:
  • NI has 3 MEPs for 1.8m = 1 MEP per 600K people
  • RoI will have 11 MEPs for 4.6m = 1 MEP per 418K people.

Smaller countries are still overrepresented in terms of MEPs per population, but the level of overrepresentation has been reduced each time new countries join. RoI is small. NI is part of the UK, which is big.
 

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So there will hvae to be a boundary commission?
There has been a boundary commission already although they made their recommendations based on 12 seats so it'll have to be revisited once Croatia completes it accession. I have severe doubts the Oireachtas will change the electoral system.
 

Sister Mercedes

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RoI is still doing better than NI:
  • NI has 3 MEPs for 1.8m = 1 MEP per 600K people
  • RoI will have 11 MEPs for 4.6m = 1 MEP per 418K people.

Smaller countries are still overrepresented in terms of MEPs per population, but the level of overrepresentation has been reduced each time new countries join. RoI is small. NI is part of the UK, which is big.
In the only union of states that has worked over a long period (the United States of America), the smaller states enjoy disproportionate representation in both the Senate (not the Congress) and the Electoral College (Wyoming has the same number of Senators as California).

The more population-based European Representation becomes, the more German-centric it gets. The EU won't survive if it is seen as a German Empire.
 

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