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PIRA man names 4 PIRA colleagues who carried out the Birmingham bombings


Beachcomber

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This is interesting.

A PIRA man who was in prison at the time of the Birmingham bombings in 1974 has given evidence at inquests into the deaths of the 21 victims - the evidence includes the names of 4 of his PIRA colleagues who carried out the bombings.

He claimed at the inquests that he had been given permission to name these names by "the current head of the IRA in Dublin".

2 points:
1. the PIRA must still be in business (as we all knew all along) if a current leader of it can give permission to members to give such evidence.
2. will the men who were named (and are still alive) be charged?

McLoughlin is thankfully dead already. Hayes admitted in 2017 that he was involved.


'Men responsible' for pub blasts named

"A convicted IRA bomber has named four men he says were responsible for the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings.

At inquests into the deaths of the 21 victims, "Witness O" named the men responsible as Seamus McLoughlin, Mick Murray, Michael Hayes and James Gavin.

He said he had been given permission to reveal the names by the current head of the IRA in Dublin.

He named Seamus McLoughlin as the officer commanding the Birmingham IRA at the time and said he was the person responsible for selecting the targets."
 


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Raids on the UVF, now followed by this report, so we must be in Brexit cluster f**k up time.
 

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A non-named man got permission from a non-named Dublin OC- the brit Spooks tell some porkies that only the dumbest fall for these days-

The identity of the witness is known and has been reported.

Why would he tell porkies? 1 of the 4 named PIRA perps has already admitted that he was involved.
 

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Big talk about UVF members being arrested with drugs which is all those Unionists are suited for- never noticed any of them charged with UVF membership though- brit Spooks wanting to protect their men of violence-

Why would they be charged with something that doesn't exist?
 

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Raids on the UVF, now followed by this report, so we must be in Brexit cluster f**k up time.

Don't you want the truth to be known?

Or is that search for truth selective? So that want anything done by the likes of the PIRA to be ignored.
 

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A terrible irony of this case is that the West Midlands police had Mick Murray in custody afterwards and put him on trial- but he was acquitted.
 

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A terrible irony of this case is that the West Midlands police had Mick Murray in custody afterwards and put him on trial- but he was acquitted.
That often happens.

Did he recognize the court? If he did then he went against the PIRA's view of these things that their members were soldiers in a war.
 

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I think he said nothing throughout his trial. He was a bomber who planted bombs that killed and maimed.
 

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I think he said nothing throughout his trial. He was a bomber who planted bombs that killed and maimed.
Typical of the Provos.

When it came to being caught, they rarely claimed to have done whatever they were caught for, on the supposed basis that they were soldiers of an army at war.

Instead they went for the soft route of going to court to face criminal charges, knowing that if they were found guilty they would face a defined sentence. Then they would whine that they needed to be sent back to NI, so that their mammies could easily visit them in jail.

If they had been treated as POWs there would have been no defined sentences - they would have been locked up for the duration of hostilities, well away from the conflict zone.
 

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The identity of the witness is known and has been reported.

Why would he tell porkies? 1 of the 4 named PIRA perps has already admitted that he was involved.
Was he reported by a non-named man- you would fall for anything- why do you tell porkies?-
 

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Typical of the Provos.

When it came to being caught, they rarely claimed to have done whatever they were caught for, on the supposed basis that they were soldiers of an army at war.

Instead they went for the soft route of going to court to face criminal charges, knowing that if they were found guilty they would face a defined sentence. Then they would whine that they needed to be sent back to NI, so that their mammies could easily visit them in jail.

If they had been treated as POWs there would have been no defined sentences - they would have been locked up for the duration of hostilities, well away from the conflict zone.
The Brits said it was Crime then give the 5 demands to IRA POWs after the 81 Hunger-Strike- the IRA got what they wanted and used those demands to escape of of the H-Blocks in the great escape in 83- the trouble with you is you don’t know history-
 

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The Brits said it was Crime then give the 5 demands to IRA POWs after the 81 Hunger-Strike- the IRA got what they wanted and used those demands to escape of of the H-Blocks in the great escape in 83- the trouble with you is you don’t know history-
When you're captured you're a POW yet you try to defend yourself in court. How many POWs get a trial?

If they were soldiers why whinge when you get shot?

A la Carte warriors.
 

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When you're captured you're a POW yet you try to defend yourself in court. How many POWs get a trial?

If they were soldiers why whinge when you get shot?

A la Carte warriors.
Brit POWs who escaped from Jap prisons had to defend themselves when they were recaptured and put on court-martial- seen RAF POWs caught in Iraq making Statements to the media not to mention what the captured SAS give to the Iraqi regime in the first gulf war- a PARA POW is about to defend himself in court- what till you hear his winging about his leadership-

The Brits said the IRA weren’t POWs yet give into the 5 demands- they couldn’t make their minds up-
 

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When you're captured you're a POW yet you try to defend yourself in court. How many POWs get a trial?

If they were soldiers why whinge when you get shot?

A la Carte warriors.
All soldiers whinge when they get shot...a lot :)
 

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Witness O is a hoax to divert attention away from the real scandal of the Birmingham pub bombings saga. All four men named have previously been named and one of them was nowhere near Birmingham on the day.

Why the 75 year closure order on case documents?
 

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This is interesting.

A PIRA man who was in prison at the time of the Birmingham bombings in 1974 has given evidence at inquests into the deaths of the 21 victims - the evidence includes the names of 4 of his PIRA colleagues who carried out the bombings.

He claimed at the inquests that he had been given permission to name these names by "the current head of the IRA in Dublin".

2 points:
1. the PIRA must still be in business (as we all knew all along) if a current leader of it can give permission to members to give such evidence.
2. will the men who were named (and are still alive) be charged?

McLoughlin is thankfully dead already. Hayes admitted in 2017 that he was involved.


'Men responsible' for pub blasts named

"A convicted IRA bomber has named four men he says were responsible for the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings.

At inquests into the deaths of the 21 victims, "Witness O" named the men responsible as Seamus McLoughlin, Mick Murray, Michael Hayes and James Gavin.

He said he had been given permission to reveal the names by the current head of the IRA in Dublin.

He named Seamus McLoughlin as the officer commanding the Birmingham IRA at the time and said he was the person responsible for selecting the targets."
Yes - it's awful when innocent people are killed in war, but we must remember that the Irish Resistance to the occupation of our country is not the cause of the problem - the Irish Resistance is but a symptom of the problem.

The actual problem is the occupation in Ireland by a foreign country against the democratic will of the majority of Irish people. The reality is that England brought this on itself and reaped what it has sown.
 
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Yes - it's awful when innocent people are killed in war, but we must remember that the Irish Resistance to the occupation of our country is not the cause of the problem - the Irish Resistance is but a symptom of the problem.

The actual problem is the occupation in Ireland by a foreign country against the democratic will of the majority of Irish people. The reality is that England brought this on itself and reaped what it has sown.
No - it was the people who planted the bombs and those who gave them their orders who “brought it on them”, it was they who killed innocent people.
 

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