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PIRA man names 4 PIRA colleagues who carried out the Birmingham bombings




Golah veNekhar

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Mickey,
You should know by now that the biggest bonfire ever is in Belfast on the eleventh of July night.
You really enjoy being what others would label a "savage Prod", don't you?

It is almost charming.
 

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Because MI5 had a high level agent controlling the bombing, he could have stopped it but the idiot over him let it go ahead hoping to rope in supporting ASUs.

I'd say that's close to the reality.
I'm going to give you a chance to provide a very credible, respected source that explicitly backs that claim. An excuse by the way, that not even PIRA themselves were not even stupid enough to make.
 

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The English invasion started that hate in America- another thing for their X empire to pay for-
Yes, because no Irish went to America and became wealthy slave owners - this thread is almost embarrassingly simplistic.

Not to mention the huge influence of France and Spain on the New World.
 

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I'm going to give you a chance to provide a very credible, respected source that explicitly backs that claim. An excuse by the way, that not even PIRA themselves were not even stupid enough to make.
It is a universal truth that when any paramilitary group is ashamed of actions it carried out, or if not ashamed, aware it was an enormous own goal, their "useful idiots" always claim (a) they didn't do it, it was a false flag operation (b) they were misled by a highly-placed double agent or (c) look over there, a butterfly.
 

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Yes, because no Irish went to America and became wealthy slave owners - this thread is almost embarrassingly simplistic.

Not to mention the huge influence of France and Spain on the New World.
The country England tried to own America- the English thought the world was there’s till locals around the world give them a bloody-nose- and you are trying to equate one or two slave owners to Empire England-
 

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So your role here is to defend the murderous behavior of England in Ireland and worldwide is it ?
And what about the murderous behavior of Irish people worldwide? Many of the colonial troops in the BA we're Irish - O'Dwyer the governor was in charge during the Amristar massacre in India. He wasn't some minor grunt. Guess on his surname where he was from......
 

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And what about the murderous behavior of Irish people worldwide? Many of the colonial troops in the BA we're Irish - O'Dwyer the governor was in charge during the Amristar massacre in India. He wasn't some minor grunt. Guess on his surname where he was from......
What flag was he fighting under ?, why of course , it was the butchers apron .
Do tell us what countries Ireland or the Irish have invaded and enslaved .
 

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Do tell us what countries Ireland or the Irish have invaded and enslaved .
So you dismiss the Irish people in the British army? The Irish have formed at times 47% of the entire colonial army! During the Victorian era. And before that around 37%. Can you Irish send reparations?
 

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So you dismiss the Irish people in the British army? The Irish have formed at times 47% of the entire colonial army! During the Victorian era. And before that around 37%. Can you Irish send reparations?
Because to feed their family they often had no choice as their country was occupied and enslaved by the English scum
 

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Because to feed their family they often had no choice as their country was occupied and enslaved by the English scum
Was Ireland in the 20th century, except the Dublin slums (which were more due to landlords than the Brit gov... sure they may have been disproportionately Anglo-Irish, but that wasn't Westminster) really an oppressed or starving country?
 

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Was Ireland in the 20th century, except the Dublin slums (which were more due to landlords than the Brit gov... sure they may have been disproportionately Anglo-Irish, but that wasn't Westminster) really an oppressed or starving country?
you quoted the Victorian era , i suppose you don't really know when that was :rolleyes:

You are away off subject Hoopster , better get back on or track or you will displease the ice king
 

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you quoted the Victorian era , i suppose you don't really know when that was :rolleyes:

You are away off subject Hoopster , better get back on or track or you will displease the ice king
The subject is you talking about England's murderous actions but ignoring all the Irish who proudly served in the same murderous groups. Hoopster is not an account of mine.
 

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you quoted the Victorian era , i suppose you don't really know when that was :rolleyes:

You are away off subject Hoopster , better get back on or track or you will displease the ice king
For someone who only joined in March 19, how do you know who Hoopster is.
Come on now, who was your previous sock account?
 

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So your role here is to defend the murderous behavior of England in Ireland and worldwide is it ?
This is your very last warning, my nationality is not the subject of this or any other thread.
 

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This is your very last warning, my nationality is not the subject of this or any other thread.
I don't suppose one has to be English to defend the behaviour of the former British empire, or some of the more recent adventures of the British army.
 

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Can you Irish send reparations?
The country England tried to own America- the English thought the world was there’s till locals around the world give them a bloody-nose- and you are trying to equate one or two slave owners to Empire England
So your role here is to defend the murderous behavior of England in Ireland and worldwide is it ?
Was Ireland in the 20th century, except the Dublin slums (which were more due to landlords than the Brit gov... sure they may have been disproportionately Anglo-Irish, but that wasn't Westminster) really an oppressed or starving country?
"Ireland without her people is nothing to me, and the man who is bubbling over with love and enthusiasm for ‘Ireland’, and can yet pass unmoved through our streets and witness all the wrong and the suffering, the shame and the degradation wrought upon the people of Ireland, aye, wrought by Irishmen upon Irishmen and women, without burning to end it, is, in my opinion, a fraud and a liar in his heart, no matter how he loves that combination of chemical elements which he is pleased to call ‘Ireland’. "

David Cameron, you still owe us for slavery - Verene Shepherd

The prime minister’s forebears were compensated – yet he denies the same to the victims’ descendants

David Cameron may not be aware that the first campaigners for slavery reparations were the enslaved. But he will be very aware of the rewards extracted from the brutal trade.

“We know that, of the £20m paid in cash by the British state as compensation to 46,000 British enslavers after the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833, £4,000 - worth over £3m today - was paid to the prime minister’s relatives.”

In March 2007, making that case in parliament, the MP Diane Abbott reminded her colleagues that 15 Lord Mayors of London, 25 sheriffs and 38 aldermen were shareholders in the Royal African Company of slave traders.

It is estimated that in 1776 40 members of the British parliament were making their money from investments in the Caribbean. The Anglican bishops of London were also major enslavers in Barbados. Some of them agonised over their involvement in slavery, and the practice of branding the chests of the enslaved on their estates with SPG (Society for the Propagation of the Gospel). But they did not end that involvement."

The west's wealth is based on slavery. Reparations should be paid
Kehinde Andrews

If the countries and companies that became rich by exploiting human flesh paid their debts, the world would be a radically different and fairer place

"Any discussion of progress in racial equality in Britain or the rest of the world has to acknowledge the damage that the west has inflicted on the former colonies and their descendants. Malcolm X explained that “if you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, that’s not progress. If you pull it all the way out, that’s not progress. The progress comes from healing the wound that the blow made”. Instead of attempting to fix the damage, we are completely unable to progress on issues of equality because countries such as Britain “won’t even admit the knife is there”."

Irish Slave Owners - From the 1838 Compensation lists

'In 1838 slavery was abolished in the UK colonies following the 1807 legislation that abolished the trade. There were about 46,000 slave owners throughout the UK that were eligible for compensation and received an estimated £20 million – roughly worth £1.6 billion
now.'

What percentage of the Compensation claims were Irish?

'Taking the island of Ireland as a whole there were 108 claimants who made 191 claims. While most were of Irish origin some were only born on the island but spent most of their lives elsewhere in the empire and Europe while others were only temporarily resident in Ireland at the time of making the claim. The total number of slaves for which compensation was sought was 16,184 valued at £462,475 – about 2.5% of UK total.'

Number of claims and slaves by county of main residence

County Number of claims Number of slaves
Antrim -12 - 4956
Armagh -5 -172
Carlow -1 -161
Cork -12 -1750
Donegal -1 -257
Down - 1 -1
Dublin - 36 - 4984
Galway - 10 - 1121
Kildare - 2 -321
Londonderry - 3 -114
Louth - 2 - 244
Mayo - 5 - 691
Meath - 1 - 235
Queen's Co. - 2 - 94
Sligo - 1 - 91
Tipperary - 4 - 468
Tyrone - 2 - 21
Waterford - 1 - 44
Wicklow - 1 - 45

- Irish Slave Owners - Ian Cantwell

The branding system was first devised for Gaelic-speaking Irish and Scottish slaves who were branded with a V-Sign following the introduction of the 1665 Vagabond Laws. There's further details on the Cantwell link.
 

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I'm going to give you a chance to provide a very credible, respected source that explicitly backs that claim. An excuse by the way, that not even PIRA themselves were not even stupid enough to make.
It is a universal truth that when any paramilitary group is ashamed of actions it carried out, or if not ashamed, aware it was an enormous own goal, their "useful idiots" always claim (a) they didn't do it, it was a false flag operation (b) they were misled by a highly-placed double agent or (c) look over there, a butterfly.
You are confusing terrorists with Irish soldiers bringing the war to the enemy country.

Yes - it's awful when innocent people are killed in war, but we must remember that the Irish Resistance to the occupation of our country is not the cause of the problem - the Irish Resistance is but a symptom of the problem.
Speech From The Dock - Óglach Joe O’Connell, 1975

“We say that no representative of British Imperialism is fit to pass judgment on us, for this government carried out acts of terrorism in order to defend British Imperialism and continues to do so in Ireland. We have struggled to free our country from British rule. We are patriots. British soldiers in Northern Ireland are mercenaries of British Imperialism. Yet none of them has ever been convicted for the murders of unarmed civilians which they had committed in Ireland. We ask the members of the jury to consider this paradox. We are all four Irish Republicans. We have recognised this Court to the extent that we have instructed our lawyers to draw the attention of the Court to the fact that four totally innocent people, Carole Richardson, Gerry Conlon, Paul Hill and Paddy Armstrong, are serving massive sentences for three bombings, two in Guildford and one in Woolwich, which three of us and another man now imprisoned, have admitted that we did."

The England Department admitted responsibility in a British Court, and told the British Judiciary that they had incarcerated the wrong people. People such as Seamus O'Donovan, Albert Price and Pat Mulryan, who were involved in the English Offensive which preceded the Northern Offensive in the 1930's-1940's and the 1970-1990's respectively came to the conclusion that the campaign was completely futile, and done more damage than good. In fairness to O'Donovan, he had been duped into getting involved by Seán Russell. I think Mulryan penned a book about his experiences.
 

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