Political crisis in Poland

Dame_Enda

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The PiS ran on a slogan of "Budapest in Warsaw", referring to importing the Hungarian model of "illiberal democracy". Since then the following steps have been taken in that direction:

- Requiring two thirds majorities for Supreme Court decisions.
- Appointing more conservatives to the court.
- Allowing only 4 channels to broadcast parliamentary votes
- Purging state media employees of liberals.

The third item above happened in a constitutionally questionable way. Protesters occupied the parliament so the MPs voted in another room.

So should the EU intervene or not? After all Enlargement we were told was about strengthening democracy in firmer Communist countries (Though I suspect it was really about cheap labour and new export markets). The Treaties allow the EU to suspend a states rights under the Treaties for violating fundamental values of the EU.
 


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The PiS ran on a slogan of "Budapest in Warsaw", referring to importing the Hungarian model of "illiberal democracy". Since then the following steps have been taken in that direction:

- Requiring two thirds majorities for Supreme Court decisions.
- Appointing more conservatives to the court.
- Allowing only 4 channels to broadcast parliamentary votes
- Purging state media employees of liberals.

The third item above happened in a constitutionally questionable way. Protesters occupied the parliament so the MPs voted in another room.

So should the EU intervene or not? After all Enlargement we were told was about strengthening democracy in firmer Communist countries (Though I suspect it was really about cheap labour and new export markets). The Treaties allow the EU to suspend a states rights under the Treaties for violating fundamental values of the EU.
Europhobes will criticise the EU for any attempt made to rebuke the Polish Govt for its authoritarian behaviour while deploring the EU's indifference to the Polish Govt's authoritarian behaviour.
 
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Are the american missiles being installed in Poland or not?
 

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This is on top of Polish Defense Minister recruiting his private army of 35,000 militias which is going to report directly to him. Are they preparing for a civil war?
 

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But what about the russians
 

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The PiS ran on a slogan of "Budapest in Warsaw", referring to importing the Hungarian model of "illiberal democracy". Since then the following steps have been taken in that direction:

- Requiring two thirds majorities for Supreme Court decisions.
- Appointing more conservatives to the court.
- Allowing only 4 channels to broadcast parliamentary votes
- Purging state media employees of liberals.

The third item above happened in a constitutionally questionable way. Protesters occupied the parliament so the MPs voted in another room.

So should the EU intervene or not? After all Enlargement we were told was about strengthening democracy in firmer Communist countries (Though I suspect it was really about cheap labour and new export markets). The Treaties allow the EU to suspend a states rights under the Treaties for violating fundamental values of the EU.
The Polish equivalent of Oireachtais report is to be restricted to just four TV channels?
And people are rioting in the streets in protest? :confused:
 

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The EU intervened in Greece when Papandreiou propsed asking the Greeks be consented on a bailout of rich bankers that ruined life for Greeks.

There are two things Brussels will not tolerate.

The first is the people getting any escape from the rich and well connected.

And the second is insubordination.
 

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The Polish equivalent of Oireachtais report is to be restricted to just four TV channels?
And people are rioting in the streets in protest? :confused:
A bit more to it than that. Knowing people who work there it is quite scary. People won't talk on the phone because it might be bugged. The EU should absolutely intervene and tell PiS and others like Orban that they subscribe to EU norms of they will not get a red cent of EU money.
 

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https://www.rt.com/news/370453-eu-poland-assembly-law/

‘Systematic threat against rule of law’

The new legislation also provoked a heated debate in the European Parliament on Wednesday. Ahead of the debate, the Greens/European Free Alliance group issued a statement urging the EU to trigger Article 7 against Poland and restrict its voting rights in response to the freedom restrictions imposed by the Polish government.

"There is a broad support in the parliament to do that," Dutch liberal MEP Sophie in't Veld told journalists.

"Like all other EU citizens, Poles have the right to an independent judiciary... Polish women have freedom of choice, and Poles have the right to freedom of assembly, expression and thought," she added, as cited by AFP.

"This is really an unlawful limitation on our constitutional rights and freedoms," said Kamilia Gasiuk-Pihowicz, a lawmaker with the opposition Modern party, as cited by AP. Some MEPs criticized Poland’s government for continuing to threaten democratic principles and European values.

Frans Timmermans, vice-president of the European Commission also expressed his concern about "systemic threat against the rule of law" in Poland, referring to the new freedom of assembly law as well as to another legislation pending Polish Senate’s approval that would allow Poland's president to effectively nominate the acting president of the Constitutional Court.
 

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Will the European Union intervene in a country where the Soviet Union chose not to intervene ?
 

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This is on top of Polish Defense Minister recruiting his private army of 35,000 militias which is going to report directly to him. Are they preparing for a civil war?
Hopefully a militia to defend the country from the Islamic hordes.
 

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Hopefully a militia to defend the country from the Islamic hordes.
Rather to defend the government from the opposition or to fight the soon to be illegal protests. The Islamic immigrants do not move to Poland - too poor social welfare protection.
 
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Will the European Union intervene in a country where the Soviet Union chose not to intervene ?
The EU will do precisely nothing other than pray for a change of administration after the next election.
 

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Kaczynski calls and escalates the conflicts so the society can be on red alert all all the time, constantly searching for the enemy, which he indicates, these "communists and thieves, traitors, 'the worse sort of Poles' "

Conflict as a principle of policy has been promoted years ago by the German theorist Carl Schmitt, a former Nazi and for a time chief lawyer of the Third Reich. The theory of democracy is a rejection of the doctrine of "political theology" by Schmitt. Because in democracy politics are looking for a healthy compromise to reduce the level of social tensions and conflicts in the name of the common good of the state and the general public.
One year of the PiS government has led to society polarization, which was not seen even in a state of war. Poland stands at a crossroads.


It's worth to add, PIS (the current ruling party) won 32% of votes with the voting turn up of only 50%. If a new election took place now they would not win so I think the EU intervention would be more welcomed now than ever and have large public support.
 
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The PiS ran on a slogan of "Budapest in Warsaw", referring to importing the Hungarian model of "illiberal democracy". Since then the following steps have been taken in that direction:

- Requiring two thirds majorities for Supreme Court decisions.
- Appointing more conservatives to the court.
- Allowing only 4 channels to broadcast parliamentary votes
- Purging state media employees of liberals.

The third item above happened in a constitutionally questionable way. Protesters occupied the parliament so the MPs voted in another room.

So should the EU intervene or not? After all Enlargement we were told was about strengthening democracy in firmer Communist countries (Though I suspect it was really about cheap labour and new export markets). The Treaties allow the EU to suspend a states rights under the Treaties for violating fundamental values of the EU.
But the fourth step is a good thing ...
 

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The PiS ran on a slogan of "Budapest in Warsaw", referring to importing the Hungarian model of "illiberal democracy". Since then the following steps have been taken in that direction:

- Requiring two thirds majorities for Supreme Court decisions.
- Appointing more conservatives to the court.
- Allowing only 4 channels to broadcast parliamentary votes
- Purging state media employees of liberals.

The third item above happened in a constitutionally questionable way. Protesters occupied the parliament so the MPs voted in another room.

So should the EU intervene or not? After all Enlargement we were told was about strengthening democracy in firmer Communist countries (Though I suspect it was really about cheap labour and new export markets). The Treaties allow the EU to suspend a states rights under the Treaties for violating fundamental values of the EU.

Purging state media of Liberals? What's not to like?
 


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