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Political Fallout from the Halappanavar Affair?


spidermom

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This thread is NOT for the discussion around the circumstances around Savita's death or about abortion.
It is for discussion surrounding the political fallout, real or percieved of this whole sorry and sad affair!!
Will there be a head on a plate?
Reilly is under significant pressures as it is.
Will this be the final nail??

We know that there is differences of opinion between FG and labour on the issues surrounding abortion legislation...this cannot help!!

We have seen in the past that small things can trip up governments. This week is turning into a political nightmare for the government on a national and international level!

Could this see a fall of the government??


Or with the budget coming up...will this all be forgotten?
 

Franzoni

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Good points raised in the OP....

We have seen smaller things trip up governments before and personally i believe Labour will be decimated in any snap election especially in the Dublin area.....

If Martin and Kenny could do business anything is possible,dunno if many FFer's could stomach the thought of being in government without the top job....... but anything hobbled together with FF and SF and some independents is doomed to failure.....i think we would end up to a similar situation we had in the early 80's of elections every few months....

Who knows..the Galway business plus the budget could be the tipping point....
 

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I believe Martin and Kenny could do business. It would probely be a good thing for the Country in the long run. I also think given the chance Martin would jump at it, other wise he will little chance to be in Goverment, before his time is up. F F rising in the polls at the moment, but it will eventually level out and stop rising. Then like Enda, people in FF will begin to say we will have to dump Martin, because of his links to the past. It would take FF at least ten years to get back to where they were, prior last election, if ever.
 

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I think the relevant parties will use this issue to the maxim in order to sidetrack from the fact that many more people are and will suffer because of the I am alright Jack and screw you decisions come policy's that have and are about to be taken to the detriment of society as a whole.
 

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There is not a snowball's chance in hell of Kenny and Martin 'doing business'. None. Nada. Ziltch.
 

jmcc

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Could this see a fall of the government??


Or with the budget coming up...will this all be forgotten?
It could result in a fall. The budget is going to be brutal and will probably finish Labour as a major party for at least a generation. The abortion issue gives them some wriggle-room to walk on an issue of morality rather than sheer cowardice. It could develop into a perfect storm over the next few days now that el Presidente has weighed in on the argument. The nutters in each party are the ones who will decide things.

Regards...jmcc
 

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It could result in a fall. The budget is going to be brutal and will probably finish Labour as a major party for at least a generation. The abortion issue gives them some wriggle-room to walk on an issue of morality rather than sheer cowardice. It could develop into a perfect storm over the next few days now that el Presidente has weighed in on the argument.

Regards...jmcc
This would be the Labour Party that's still polling comfortably above its long-term trend. Your constant fantasising about their poll ratings is getting silly at this stage.
 

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Who knows..the Galway business plus the budget could be the tipping point....
The Galway business, the budget, Hapless Gilmore and his missus, and the presidential intervention. This thing could implode very quickly.

Regards...jmcc
 

jmcc

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This would be the Labour Party that's still polling comfortably above its long-term trend.
This would be the Labour Party that is continually being hammered by Sinn Fein in the polls. The one that is also being outperformed by Fianna Fail - a party that people were writing off. Or were you thinking of another Labour Party?

Regards...jmcc
 

gerhard dengler

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This thread is NOT for the discussion around the circumstances around Savita's death or about abortion.
It is for discussion surrounding the political fallout, real or percieved of this whole sorry and sad affair!!
Will there be a head on a plate?
Reilly is under significant pressures as it is.
Will this be the final nail??

We know that there is differences of opinion between FG and labour on the issues surrounding abortion legislation...this cannot help!!

We have seen in the past that small things can trip up governments. This week is turning into a political nightmare for the government on a national and international level!

Could this see a fall of the government??


Or with the budget coming up...will this all be forgotten?
I think the EU Presidency will prove to be a balm.

I can't see the Galway issue generating any long term political heat.
The economy is a more tangible issue by far. It is the only issue in my view.
 

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If the budget fails to address banker's pay and pensions while inflicting more hardship on the average taxpayer, public anger will boil over. The fact that the savings will be small are inconsequential, the symbolism will speak volumes.

The refusal to sign up to a financial transaction tax while taxing low paid workers is something that Labour in particular will find difficult to justify.
 

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The Galway business, the budget, Hapless Gilmore and his missus, and the presidential intervention. This thing could implode very quickly.

Regards...jmcc
Agreed.

anyone of the many gobshytes in this cabinet could bring the whole thing down.

Anyways i reckon Gilmore is sitting pretty, he has an excuse to walk now if Labour dont get the X case legislated for.

his very own "chewbacca/Dick Spring" defense.

except it will backfire massively when Labour get filleted in an election.
 

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This would be the Labour Party that is continually being hammered by Sinn Fein in the polls. The one that is also being outperformed by Fianna Fail - a party that people were writing off. Or were you thinking of another Labour Party?

Regards...jmcc
No, that Labour Party. They were outperformed by FF for virtually their entire existence, so that's hardly a shock. As for SF, they've picked up the "target anyone but me" vote that Labour cultivated brilliantly while in Opposition, but knew they were gonna lose the second they made a tough decision in government.
 

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There is not a snowball's chance in hell of Kenny and Martin 'doing business'. None. Nada. Ziltch.
Have to agree.....too much water under the bridge between the parties....Anyways n all FF are on the comeback trail with the floating vote and who knows what could happen if Adams decided to step down.......
 

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Agreed.

anyone of the many gobshytes in this cabinet could bring the whole thing down.

Anyways i reckon Gilmore is sitting pretty, he has an excuse to walk now if Labour dont get the X case legislated for.
He doesn't want an excuse to walk. There's no scenario in which the economy isn't performing better in 2016 than it is now - and that'll determine how the next election goes.
 

jmcc

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Agreed.

anyone of the many gobshytes in this cabinet could bring the whole thing down.

Anyways i reckon Gilmore is sitting pretty, he has an excuse to walk now if Labour dont get the X case legislated for.
Might be worth keeping an eye on printers and help-wanted ads in the next few days. (The wardance of an election.) If I had to guess, one or more of the politicians with poor reelection chances will run for the moral high ground.

Regards...jmcc
 

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Might be worth keeping an eye on printers and help-wanted ads in the next few days. (The wardance of an election.)
Regards...jmcc
Yes, you do that. Have fun. And prepare to be wrong, yet again.
 

jmcc

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No, that Labour Party. They were outperformed by FF for virtually their entire existence, so that's hardly a shock.
The low expectations of an FGer? The shock is that Fianna Fail is on the way back and the floating vote that boosted Labour at the last GE is beginning to move again. And Labour has, according to some its own findings, lost a lot of the Working Class vote to Sinn Fein.

As for SF, they've picked up the "target anyone but me" vote that Labour cultivated brilliantly while in Opposition, but knew they were gonna lose the second they made a tough decision in government.
And of course the attractions of the trough were too great for those wonderful Socialists.

Regards...jmcc
 

Franzoni

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I think the EU Presidency will prove to be a balm.

I can't see the Galway issue generating any long term political heat.
The economy is a more tangible issue by far. It is the only issue in my view.
I disagree Gerhard...

The fact we will have the EU presidency will be a ball and chain around the governments neck regarding the Galway......


Also the fact we are an EU country in a bailout programme with the EU presidency should be fun for all the anti austerity/globalisation crew.........imagine riots in Dublin with the governments Gathering 2013 being promoted and all the yanks and anyone of irish descent wandering around...?.....you think that these people don't take notice of this stuff......?
 

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There is not a snowball's chance in hell of Kenny and Martin 'doing business'. None. Nada. Ziltch.


Politicans have no principles, for power they will do anything, how often have we seen that, many times, and we will see it again.
 
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