"Politics and Society" examined for the first time at Leaving Cert. today

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Apparently sat by almost a thousand students today, the subject is being trialled at a limited number of schools. A citizenship project accounts for 20% of the available marks.


I feel it's a bit light-weight compared with its A-Level equivalent. Here are two of the four papers by the OCR exam board last year. The first would be taken at the equivalent of the end of fifth year; the second at the end of sixth year.

Contemporary UK Politics

Political Ideas and Concepts


What does the politics forum think?
 
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Interesting to see. A civics education always provides value. The paper started well and then started towards the precepts establishing the new social contract. Well I suppose that's the way of it. Section A Question 1 Section L is a little funny given recent media coverage. Anyway I don't watch Irish politics anymore because I don't find it interesting or benevolent. It's just not my problem anymore.

I think that the syllabus should concentrate more on the qualities and mechanisms of citizenship rather than "issues". It's good to interact and work with people who think for themselves. They are inevitably better people for it. Live and let live.

I think this guy is good on the empowered citizen - Dave Rubin | Full Q&A | Oxford Union
 

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A much better idea to save money would be to cancel the €400 million (which went up to €600 million last week) increase in the pay, perks and pensions of Mr Watt and the rest of the PS/CS insiders.

You'd fill a lot of:

- pot holes
- nurse vacancies
- doctor vacancies
- SNA vacancies
- sites with new houses

for €400/€600 million.
 

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A much better idea to save money would be to cancel the €400 million (which went up to €600 million last week) increase in the pay, perks and pensions of Mr Watt and the rest of the PS/CS insiders.

You'd fill a lot of:

- pot holes
- nurse vacancies
- doctor vacancies
- SNA vacancies
- sites with new houses

for €400/€600 million.
It’s the FG way. It is understood finance minister Paschal Donohoe defended Mr Watt paying tribute to the service he has given to the State.
 

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It’s the Insider FG way. It is understood finance Minister Paschal Donohoe defended Mr Watt paying tribute to the service he has given to the State.
" Mr Donohoe moved to reassure his colleagues, making it clear that it would be the government that would decide on such issues not civil servants.
 

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It's a little bit messy and some of the questions seem far too big for the space provided, but the gist of it looks good, at least for a first attempt.
 

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" Mr Donohoe moved to reassure his colleagues, making it clear that it would be the government that would decide on such issues not civil servants.
It’s the same effort as the Conor FG Skehan ‘gaming the system’ episode.
For someone who maintains he knows all about how politics work, you really don’t do you?
 
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It’s the FG way. It is understood finance minister Paschal Donohoe defended Mr Watt paying tribute to the service he has given to the State.
After Buttimer calling for him to be sacked, what else could Donohoe do, but defend him?

What kind of snow-flake calls for a civil servant to be sacked over a policy disagreement? Over it has to be said, a matter that is standard in many if not most other countries. There absolutely should be a discussion at least on the question of whether pensioners should be restricted to off-peak travel. Prima-facie, the idea makes sense.
 

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The exam paper looks sound enough to me - decent questions. Of course, it's the marking scheme you want to look at, to find out what they are actually "looking for".
 

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I very much like the idea of a 'politics and society' paper or module at various levels. I think I recall we had an experiment with something called 'civics' back when I were a lad and went to school hitching a lift on the back of horseless carriages.

It was interesting and I recall the books and the introduction to the institutions of the state, government, the concept of independence between the pillars of democracy and so on.

I think it is a good thing and can't see how it can be a bad thing.
 

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Link to paper

Apparently sat by almost a thousand students today, the subject is being trialled at a limited number of schools. A citizenship project accounts for 20% of the available marks.


I feel it's a bit light-weight compared with its A-Level equivalent. Here are two of the four papers by the OCR exam board last year. The first would be taken at the equivalent of the end of fifth year; the second at the end of sixth year.

Contemporary UK Politics

Political Ideas and Concepts


What does the politics forum think?
Looks to me like more political brainwashing of the young

- the question on immigration pretty well spelled it out what kind of an answer the were supposed to give.
 

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After Buttimer calling for him to be sacked, what else could Donohoe do, but defend him?

What kind of snow-flake calls for a civil servant to be sacked over a policy disagreement? Over it has to be said, a matter that is standard in many if not most other countries. There absolutely should be a discussion at least on the question of whether pensioners should be restricted to off-peak travel. Prima-facie, the idea makes sense.
My point is that this is the FG way of doing things. What better way to get public feedback than have some patsy like Skehan or Watt put forward the FG thinking for them, and then go into the usual faux outrage - ‘It wasnt us Boss’
FG established a working group in 2015 to review the free travel scheme. Watt looks like to be the result.
 
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Its positive that that paper differentiated between liberal nationalism and National Socialism. The two are not the same.

In Germany, Liberal Nationalism was destroyed by the failure of the 1848 Revolution, which sought a united Germany. The German rulers initially pretended to go along with it until they were strong enough to defeat it, in part by playing on divisions between ethnic Germans and non ethnic Germans over questions like independence and languages.
 
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Good, the more options for students the better, hell they may even learn something!
 

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My point is that this is the FG way of doing things. What better way to get public feedback than have some patsy like Skehan or Watt put forward the FG thinking for them, and then go into the usual faux outrage - ‘It wasnt us Boss’
FG established a working group in 2015 to review the free travel scheme. Watt looks like to be the result.
I doubt that. I'd say he came up with the idea himself. Civil servants are probably the source of most policy proposals and they rarely pull them out of a hat the way politicians do. What's unusual in this case is merely that he went public on it, rather than bouncing it off the minister first.
 

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Will this eventually morph into statism as an exam subject ?
 

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I would not be happy with the fact that Leo Varadkar is the only current irish politician pictured on the exam paper.
 

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Looks to me like more political brainwashing of the young

- the question on immigration pretty well spelled it out what kind of an answer the were supposed to give.
Would have to agree with you, more brainwashing. I'm very disappointed with the subject as I thought it would be more worthy, just more pro mass immigration crap I'm afraid
 

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Looks to me like more political brainwashing of the young

- the question on immigration pretty well spelled it out what kind of an answer the were supposed to give.
Discuss the reasons the bloke who opened a 'Direct Provision centre' in Lisdoonvarna is a philanthropist, a benefactor, a humanitarian hero, a proud and loyal irishman, a selfless charismatic Saint, and a twenty-first century Patriot ?
 


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