Poll: Irish attitudes to the EU

JamesCoughlin

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That is not true.

The following are the figures as published at the time,


The bailout will total €85bn
• There's to be a 5.8% blended interest rate
• Ireland will not be not locked out of the bond market

The €85bn is to be split as follows:
• €50bn to run the country, pay civil service etc.
• €35bn for the banks, with €17.5bn to come from Irish reserves
• €3.44bn is coming from the UK, €393m from Denmark and €598m from Sweden.

So €3.44bn out of a total of €85bn came from the UK.

The rest came from Irish reserves, the EU and the IMF
And how much came from the EU exactly?
 


shiel

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And how much came from the EU exactly?
45bn came from the EU as detailed as follows.

The external support will be broken down as follows: €22½ billion from the European Financial Stability Mechanism (EFSM); €22½ billion from the International Monetary Fund (IMF); and €22½ billion from the European Financial Stability Fund (EFSF) and bilateral loans.
 

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And you're incapable of even defending them yet you criticise me.
Aren't you even going to thank shiel and Splodge for correcting your mistake?
 

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:)
 

shiel

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No they didn't. They haven't answered my question and refuse to think Britain bailed us out when they did.
I thought the question was answered.

So repeat the UK did not bail out Ireland.

Its contribution was relatively small.

The total bailout was €85bn.

EU gave €45bn

IMF gave €22.5bn

Irish reserves gave €17bn

Sweden and Denmark and UK subscribed the balance.

The figure of €3.44bn out of a total of €85bn came from the UK.

I think the figures are correct but if someone has better figures lets have them.
 

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F_cking typical. Any criticism of the EU and suddenly you must be a Brit. Such a childish response.

Not what I took from his comment, I think he was suggesting if you want to live outside the EU, then the UK is your obvious choice, you can go and live in the sunny uplands.
 

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Not what I took from his comment, I think he was suggesting if you want to live outside the EU, then the UK is your obvious choice, you can go and live in the sunny uplands.
No and I didn't suggest Ireland leaving either.
 

shiel

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Anyone who supports the EU is far right.

The EU is a forth Reich.
You left out the EUSSR.

Keep repeating that brain dead stuff so as to highlight the moronic opinions the anti-EU people are reduced to.

The EU is made up of nearly thirty European democracies each of which signed a treaty to cooperate in matters of mutual interest.

Two thirds of those democracies were former colonies.

Now they all have a vote with a much higher weight than their population in influencing European wide decisions.

They also have a veto in matters of vital national interest.
 

Cdebru

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You left out the EUSSR.

Keep repeating that brain dead stuff so as to highlight the moronic opinions the anti-EU people are reduced to.

The EU is made up of nearly thirty European democracies each of which signed a treaty to cooperate in matters of mutual interest.

Two thirds of those democracies were former colonies.

Now they all have a vote with a much higher weight than their population in influencing European wide decisions.

They also have a veto in matters of vital national interest.
They can also leave anytime they want. The fact that Brexit is actually happening shows that whole eussr, fourth Reich sh1te for what it is. Unlike say Scotland that hasntonask for permission to even have a vote.
 

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They can also leave anytime they want. The fact that Brexit is actually happening shows that whole eussr, fourth Reich sh1te for what it is. Unlike say Scotland that hasntonask for permission to even have a vote.
But Scotland did ask and was facilitated. The answer was as you were, with general acceptance that the matter has been settled for a generation. Now we have that awful Sturgeon woman whose one and only ambition is to be the first PM of an independent Scotland.......and to hell with all other considerations. Meanwhile Johnson will never allow another vote so soon afterwards and he doesn't wish to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland. Perhaps he recalls that more than 200 years after the event King George 111 is still known as the king who lost America.
 

shiel

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But Scotland did ask and was facilitated. The answer was as you were, with general acceptance that the matter has been settled for a generation. Now we have that awful Sturgeon woman whose one and only ambition is to be the first PM of an independent Scotland.......and to hell with all other considerations. Meanwhile Johnson will never allow another vote so soon afterwards and he doesn't wish to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland. Perhaps he recalls that more than 200 years after the event King George 111 is still known as the king who lost America.
Well Johnson is going to go down in history as the PM that broke up a European unity that stretched from Portugal a former imperial power to Estonia a former part of the Soviet Union and from Ireland to Cyprus two former colonies and still divided islands.
 

Cdebru

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But Scotland did ask and was facilitated. The answer was as you were, with general acceptance that the matter has been settled for a generation. Now we have that awful Sturgeon woman whose one and only ambition is to be the first PM of an independent Scotland.......and to hell with all other considerations. Meanwhile Johnson will never allow another vote so soon afterwards and he doesn't wish to go down in history as the PM who lost Scotland. Perhaps he recalls that more than 200 years after the event King George 111 is still known as the king who lost America.
Would there have been any block from the EU to the UK having a second referendum, irrespective of the outcome of the first ?
No because it is a UK matter, Scotland had to get permission for the first one never mind the current refusal, that tells to what BS this is, Scotland is locked into a union that it has to ask permission as to whether it's people can have a say on that union.
The EU is pooled sovereignty that any member can choose to leave anytime it wants or ask it's population anytime it wants without seeking permission from anyone in the EU.
 

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You left out the EUSSR.

Keep repeating that brain dead stuff so as to highlight the moronic opinions the anti-EU people are reduced to.

The EU is made up of nearly thirty European democracies each of which signed a treaty to cooperate in matters of mutual interest.

Two thirds of those democracies were former colonies.

Now they all have a vote with a much higher weight than their population in influencing European wide decisions.

They also have a veto in matters of vital national interest.
We were fooled and badgered into the EU; it's about enriching the elitists.

In two of the major treaties we were forced to vote again because we got it 'wrong' the first time.

This is the type of behaviour you find in Nazi regimes, I don't think you'd get as bad in the USSR.

If that happened in a third world country we'd be pointing the finger and laughing at their poor attempts at democracy.
 

shiel

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We were fooled and badgered into the EU; it's about enriching the elitists.

In two of the major treaties we were forced to vote again because we got it 'wrong' the first time.

This is the type of behaviour you find in Nazi regimes, I don't think you'd get as bad in the USSR.

If that happened in a third world country we'd be pointing the finger and laughing at their poor attempts at democracy.
Ireland and Denmark renegotiated an EU agreement, changed their minds and voted again.

That is democracy.

If you are intimidated and not allowed to change your mind that is totalitarianism of the Stalin and Hitler variety.

Membership of the EU is a major boon to this small democracy.

Per capita income is one of the highest in Europe. It used to be half that.

It is definitely an improvement on centuries of exploitative colonial rule from London.

It is also a major improvement on the centuries of imperial/totalitarian wars in Europe.

The fact that our public representatives can participate as equals in the administration of this most advanced effort at international cooperation in the world is marvellous.

The fact that all the democracies of the EU held together in our support when our former colonial masters declared economic war on us and tore up the Belfast Agreement is to be appreciated not scoffed at.
 

RasherHash

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Ireland and Denmark renegotiated an EU agreement, changed their minds and voted again.

That is democracy.

If you are intimidated and not allowed to change your mind that is totalitarianism of the Stalin and Hitler variety.

Membership of the EU is a major boon to this small democracy.

Per capita income is one of the highest in Europe. It used to be half that.

It is definitely an improvement on centuries of exploitative colonial rule from London.

It is also a major improvement on the centuries of imperial/totalitarian wars in Europe.

The fact that our public representatives can participate as equals in the administration of this most advanced effort at international cooperation in the world is marvellous.

The fact that all the democracies of the EU held together in our support when our former colonial masters declared economic war on us and tore up the Belfast Agreement is to be appreciated not scoffed at.
Rubbish.
I think you know as do the FFG that we were forced to vote again on something the people clearly voted against.
The government used our money to brainwash the electorate into voting the way they wanted and thereby undermining democracy.

Comparing where we are now with before is nonsense, you can't possibly compare the two; undoubtedly the EEC helped our farmers, politicians and general economic situation but the EU has not been of any great benefit to us.

Our responsibility is to our people now and giving billions to the shaky and unstable project to make a USE is not in our interests.
 


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