Poll of Polls analysis from RTE September 2017



Dame_Enda

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There is a backlash against the traditional Left throughout the West. They are perceived as abandoning the working class in favour of Identity Politics. Corbyn has managed to sail against the wind so far because he has accepted Brexit. Irish Labour stuck on 5%.
 

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There is a backlash against the traditional Left throughout the West. They are perceived as abandoning the working class in favour of Identity Politics. Corbyn has managed to sail against the wind so far because he has accepted Brexit. Irish Labour stuck on 5%.
You mean the neo-liberal pro-big-business New Labour of the likes of war criminal Tony Blair - hardly a surprise that working class people are rejecting this so-called 'left'.
 

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You mean the neo-liberal pro-big-business New Labour of the likes of war criminal Tony Blair - hardly a surprise that working class people are rejecting this so-called 'left'.
In the 1990s many supposedly Leftwing parties embraced Blairite "Third Way" ideology that combines libertarian economics and Political Correctness. They embraced the free market including the anti strike and open borders elements of things. I think Labour did the same in the 2000s. As this alienates the working class, their solution was to import a new electorate in the form of mass immigration, who would vote for them out of gratitude and dependence on the welfare state.
 

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sweet christ
Labour are screwed and will continue to be so because they still don't get it, they still think they saved us and we should be down on our knees thanking them.
 

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As for FF-FG - there does seem to be a measure of disillusion at the "New Politics" which is translating into a return of some of their traditional vote to the Civil War mothership. Even so it would not be enough to overturn the New Politics. In fact it may reinforce it in a less Independent-Centred way, as Independents lose votes while SF are steady, while FF and FG continue their phony-war by not going into Coalition - thereby protecting "the system" just as the SPD is doing in Germany by going into Opposition.
 

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You mean the neo-liberal pro-big-business New Labour of the likes of war criminal Tony Blair - hardly a surprise that working class people are rejecting this so-called 'left'.
In fairness its the left in general who have abandoned their traditional working class base in favour of mass immigration which has destroyed that very working class base the left claim to represent.
 

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Labour are to the Left in the sense that William Ewart Gladstone's Liberal Party was in the 1800s. Blairism shares a Gladstonian resistance to market-intervention, as well as a fascination with political-reform and secularism. Thats what passed for the Left before Socialism.
 

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Labour are screwed and will continue to be so because they still don't get it, they still think they saved us and we should be down on our knees thanking them.
I'd prefer to think that it's a reaction to Squeaky Howlin shamefully abusing Dáil privilege (and shafting a journalist) so as to clamber onto the "we all hate the Garda Commissioner" bandwagon.
 

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I'd prefer to think that it's a reaction to Squeaky Howlin shamefully abusing Dáil privilege (and shafting a journalist) so as to clamber onto the "we all hate the Garda Commissioner" bandwagon.
I think not, he is a clown but their problem is they don't seem to accept what they did in the last government was wrong, in fact they still pat themselves on the back. Someone needs to gather up all the shovels and some of them need to be smacked with them.
 

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Can't tell if this is a reaction posts or the fact that Labour is bouncing along the bottom and in danger of being overtaken by the Greens or PBP. :) That homunculus Howlin is a liability for Labour. At least Kelly would have generated headlines and kept the media focus on Labour.
 

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Can't tell if this is a reaction posts or the fact that Labour is bouncing along the bottom and in danger of being overtaken by the Greens or PBP. :) That homunculus Howlin is a liability for Labour. At least Kelly would have generated headlines and kept the media focus on Labour.
I agree with that last bit. It also counts as political commentary, unlike the previous non-sequiturs.
 

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That isn't a poll of polls (which would statistically dubious) but a new graph of trends from polls (which is far more useful than a single snapshot poll).
 

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Can't tell if this is a reaction posts or the fact that Labour is bouncing along the bottom and in danger of being overtaken by the Greens or PBP. :) That homunculus Howlin is a liability for Labour. At least Kelly would have generated headlines and kept the media focus on Labour.
Media focus on Labour? Feck sake it's never off it. But if that is their best hope they are doomed.

The need policy not fecking spin.
 

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That's quite simply nonsense.
Nonsense that policy is more important than spin?

When Labour had polices they ripped them up, I could recall them but you know them all.

Have you been drinking?
 


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