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Poll shows more Romanians believe life was better under stalinism than it is now


antiestablishmentarian

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According to a government commissioned poll conducted by the state body IICMER (the Institute for Investigating the Crimes of Communism and the Memory of Romanian Exile), 26% more Romanians believe life was better under Ceaucescu's rule than it is now, with a mere 7% saying that they suffered during the rule of his régime. In what will come as a surprise to some, most of those with positive feelings towards the old regime cited economic factors as the chief motivation for their feelings towards the old system.

According to a recent poll conducted in Romania, a large majority of those who expressed an opinion stated that life was better when the Communist Party was in power than it is now under capitalism. Most people gave a favourable view about communism in principle, with over 60% saying that communism is 'a good idea'. The pollsters noted a significant increase in sympathy with communist ideas since a similar poll was carried out four years ago.

Conducted in August and September this year by the Romanian polling organisation CSOP, the survey found that over 49% of respondents agreed that life was better under the late Communist leader Nicolae Ceauşescu, while only 23% think that life is better today. The remainder gave a neutral or 'don't know' answer.

The reasons given by the participants for their positive evaluation of the communist period were mainly economic, with the availability of jobs cited by 62% and decent living conditions by 26%; the provision of housing for all was referred to by 19%.
Romanians say communism was better than capitalism - 21st Century Socialism


In its analysis of the poll results, IICMER noted that Romanians are far from alone in their generally positive evaluation of 20th Century communism. According to a survey carried out in several Central and East European countries in 2009 by the US-based Pew Research Center, the proportion of people in former socialist nations who take the view that life under capitalism is worse than it was during the period of communist power is as follows:

Poland: 35%

Czech Republic: 39%

Slovakia: 42%

Lithuania: 42%

Russia: 45%

Bulgaria: 62%

Ukraine: 62%

Hungary: 72%

Particulary significant in the results of the 2010 CSOP / IICMER poll in Romania is that, as they aquire more experience of life under the 'market economy' people are becoming more negative about capitalism and positive about communism. In the previous poll in 2006, 53% expressed a favourable opinion about communism; the 2010 survey showed that 61% are favourable towards communism.

The CSOP's survey findings are not altogether suprising in view of what has taken place since capitalism was reintroduced- increased poverty, the rise of unemployment and insecurity. Romania's health system is currently in crisis, and public sector workers have recently had their pay cut by 25%.

Information on the poll: 1133 people aged 15 and over were interviewed between August 27 and September 2, 2010. Interviews were conducted based on a standardized questionnaire, face to face at home. Margin of error: 2.9%.
 

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it's kind of weird to say romanians lived under "stalinism".

during ceausescu's rule, romania went out of its way to demonstrate that it stood apart from the other communist countries in eastern europe. ceausescu always made a big public show of how he was an independent leader who didn't unquestioningly do whatever brezhnev et al told him to do.

albania was the same under hoxha.
 

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Obviously a 60-year-old would prefer to be 40 again, and is feeling a bit nostalgic. Are there any concrete figures regarding nutrition, healthcare, crime, infrastructure, etc.?
 

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it's kind of weird to say romanians lived under "stalinism".

during ceausescu's rule, romania went out of its way to demonstrate that it stood apart from the other communist countries in eastern europe. ceausescu always made a big public show of how he was an independent leader who didn't unquestioningly do whatever brezhnev et al told him to do.

albania was the same under hoxha.
Sorry for any confusion: Stalinisim is a generic term used by some on the left to categorise the Eastern European states, as we don't consider them to have been socialist states yet they weren't capitalist either.
 

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These types of polls are biased from cognitive dissonance. People in their 80s here would argue that life was better under De Valera than it is today.

Romania is a victim of Neo liberal shock doctrine no doubt, but at the end of the day the old regime was depised so much that the people had a revolution.
 

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Sorry for any confusion: Stalinisim is a generic term used by some on the left to categorise the Eastern European states, as we don't consider them to have been socialist states yet they weren't capitalist either.
oh sure, the ceausescu system was not exactly a million miles away from actual stalinism, to put it mildly. i just thought it was strange labelling it as such when, for decades, the country itself made sure to stand outside the ussr's sphere of influence.

ceausescu formed some kind of informal alliance with the chinese and the albanians at one stage, as a way of giving two fingers to the soviets.

tito was another east european leader who distanced himself from moscow, though of course he was not nearly as murderous or insane as nicu.
 

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They were giant prisons.
Main advantage of prison is that you don't have to think where you will get food tomorrow - it is problem of prisons administration.
Plus it give some "socialists" opportunities to be prison officer will all privileges
 

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Sorry for any confusion: Stalinisim is a generic term used by some on the left to categorise the Eastern European states, as we don't consider them to have been socialist states yet they weren't capitalist either.
Do you have examples of real socialists states?:rolleyes:
 

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Goodbody, not sure that I 'd agree with you. Would the Romanians in Ireland have a different view to the majority?
 

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Stalinism was great? Seriously? Romanians need their head examined. The claim though is probably more indicitive of a lean to the far right in terms of political thinking.
 

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Poverty Facts and Stats ? Global Issues

Capitalism is great.

It may not be the best system but it'ds the only system

Capitalism equals freedom and provides all with an equal opportunity to make something of themselves.

Isn't that so...........
from George Kennan, head of the US State Department planning staff until 1950, and his comments on US relations with Far East:

we have about 50% of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3% of its population.…In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity.…To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives.…We should cease to talk about vague and… unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.

… We should recognize that our influence in the Far Eastern area in the coming period is going to be primarily military and economic. We should make a careful study to see what parts of the Pacific and Far Eastern world are absolutely vital to our security, and we should concentrate our policy on seeing to it that those areas remain in hands which we can control or rely on.
 

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Stalinism was great? Seriously? Romanians need their head examined. The claim though is probably more indicitive of a lean to the far right in terms of political thinking.
It's simply the reverse of the famous Python sketch 'What have the Romans ever done for us?'

The Romanians have a point you know.
Apart from friends spying on and informing on you to the police, apart from the funny guy on the factory production line who joked about Stalin's mustache disappearing the next day and never spoken of ever again, apart from the endless martial music on the radio, apart the drab greyness, apart from the queues for bread, the shortages of basic necessities, apart from the atmosphere of finger nail gnawing and gut wrenching fear, yep Stalin wasn't so bad.
 

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Well if they like secretive Government and spies and snitches, then Ireland is the place for them.
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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It's simply the reverse of the famous Python sketch 'What have the Romans ever done for us?'

The Romanians have a point you know.
Apart from friends spying on and informing on you to the police, apart from the funny guy on the factory production line who joked about Stalin's mustache disappearing the next day and never spoken of ever again, apart from the endless martial music on the radio, apart the drab greyness, apart from the queues for bread, the shortages of basic necessities, apart from the atmosphere of finger nail gnawing and gut wrenching fear, yep Stalin wasn't so bad.
I suppose one of the points of this post is that bad and all as stalinism was it is preferred to capitalism. at least you were guarntedd food if not luxury under stalinism.Grinding poverty is made all the worse when the infamous 5% are making out like bandits.

Romania faces mounting poverty rates in 2009, World Bank says
 

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Romania's problems:
1.It is almost surrended by nations with lower taxes. 2,500 business have moved their headquarters to Bulgaria,to escape higher taxes in Romania.
2. It doesn't promote tourism to Romania from USA well,less then 150,000 americans travel to Romania every year.
3.Gov't doesnt understand Majority Ownership of Companies,that they own. 51% ownership,is same as 95%.

What Romania has going good for them is there high speed internet. If it wasnt for that Romania would be much worse off.
 

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during ceausescu's time you would probably be more likely to find a poster of queen elizabeth on a wall in a romanian public place than one of stalin.
 
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