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FF have lost their reason to exist, SF have stolen their so called Republican vote and FG their farmers vote....They have no way to go as a political party other than downwards...
What about the SFU vote?
 

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I knew things were going to be bad with the return of FF but never imagined it would be this amateur and appalling so quickly.

All over the place on travel, disagreeing with themselves, and Martin returns to Ireland from Brussels with a very poor deal saying what is good for Europe is good for Ireland.

Micheal is just out of his depth, and then we had the Barry Cowen controversy.
A lot of that is standard FF though. During the Ahern years FG were in disarray, SF were still tiny, and FF were getting 40%+ of the vote. The Opposition to the series of FF/PD Governments under Ahern was actually provided by....FF, and often Bertie himself, being their own Opposition

It was a classic cynical trick as FF could then dominate the media narrative on both sides of the issue du jour, squeezing out any coverage from the actual opposition parties, and then triumphantly coming to a "compromise" demonstrating how they "listen to de peeple"

But it only works at scale, when you have 70+ TDs. If you are a small party then openly disagreeing with yourself just looks amateurish and shambolic.

FF also ever since Ahern became leader have had a very schizo weird approach to foreign affairs and especially the US/UK Axis of Stoopid. For four years we've been listening to FF make sniveling treacherous contributions to the Brexit debate basically hinting (without saying it out loud) that we should be assisting our glorious Imperial Masters in their Brexit project not complaining about it. We should be tying ourselves ever closer to Britain economically, not seeking ways to mitigate the economic fallout and bypass the landbridge. And yet, at the same time as they have been seeking to bolster Britain's Brexit fantasy they are desperate to suck up to Brussels for a pat on the head from their other masters. Good Dog!

The farce of the handling of travel restrictions and quarantine is a toxic mix of FF's general incompetence; their incoherent approach to international affairs not wanting to upset the US/UK particularly; and Martin's personal antipathy to anything that smells like a United Ireland like rejecting a co-ordinated all-island approach to international travel with NI which is only totally uncontroversial common sense - Unionists were perfectly happy to have an all-island approach to other health matters like the Foot & Mouth outbreak in 2002 - but the problem was Micheál Martin's personal loathing of anything that might look like United Ireland-ry if you squint at it the right way.

Claiming it would be impossible to quarantine arrivals to an island looks ridiculous from New Zealand. Though in fairness pretty much every other country's handling of Covid looks ridiculous from Aotearoa :ROFLMAO:

Basically FF have been utter shyte for decades, is what I'm saying, and nobody should really be surprised at how awful they are now.
 

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A lot of that is standard FF though. During the Ahern years FG were in disarray, SF were still tiny, and FF were getting 40%+ of the vote. The Opposition to the series of FF/PD Governments under Ahern was actually provided by....FF, and often Bertie himself, being their own Opposition

It was a classic cynical trick as FF could then dominate the media narrative on both sides of the issue du jour, squeezing out any coverage from the actual opposition parties, and then triumphantly coming to a "compromise" demonstrating how they "listen to de peeple"

But it only works at scale, when you have 70+ TDs. If you are a small party then openly disagreeing with yourself just looks amateurish and shambolic.

FF also ever since Ahern became leader have had a very schizo weird approach to foreign affairs and especially the US/UK Axis of Stoopid. For four years we've been listening to FF make sniveling treacherous contributions to the Brexit debate basically hinting (without saying it out loud) that we should be assisting our glorious Imperial Masters in their Brexit project not complaining about it. We should be tying ourselves ever closer to Britain economically, not seeking ways to mitigate the economic fallout and bypass the landbridge. And yet, at the same time as they have been seeking to bolster Britain's Brexit fantasy they are desperate to suck up to Brussels for a pat on the head from their other masters. Good Dog!

The farce of the handling of travel restrictions and quarantine is a toxic mix of FF's general incompetence; their incoherent approach to international affairs not wanting to upset the US/UK particularly; and Martin's personal antipathy to anything that smells like a United Ireland like rejecting a co-ordinated all-island approach to international travel with NI which is only totally uncontroversial common sense - Unionists were perfectly happy to have an all-island approach to other health matters like the Foot & Mouth outbreak in 2002 - but the problem was Micheál Martin's personal loathing of anything that might look like United Ireland-ry if you squint at it the right way.

Claiming it would be impossible to quarantine arrivals to an island looks ridiculous from New Zealand. Though in fairness pretty much every other country's handling of Covid looks ridiculous from Aotearoa :ROFLMAO:

Basically FF have been utter shyte for decades, is what I'm saying, and nobody should really be surprised at how awful they are now.
Are u saying that if NZ can quarantine arrivivals into their country then we can
 

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A lot of that is standard FF though. During the Ahern years FG were in disarray, SF were still tiny, and FF were getting 40%+ of the vote. The Opposition to the series of FF/PD Governments under Ahern was actually provided by....FF, and often Bertie himself, being their own Opposition

It was a classic cynical trick as FF could then dominate the media narrative on both sides of the issue du jour, squeezing out any coverage from the actual opposition parties, and then triumphantly coming to a "compromise" demonstrating how they "listen to de peeple"

But it only works at scale, when you have 70+ TDs. If you are a small party then openly disagreeing with yourself just looks amateurish and shambolic.

FF also ever since Ahern became leader have had a very schizo weird approach to foreign affairs and especially the US/UK Axis of Stoopid. For four years we've been listening to FF make sniveling treacherous contributions to the Brexit debate basically hinting (without saying it out loud) that we should be assisting our glorious Imperial Masters in their Brexit project not complaining about it. We should be tying ourselves ever closer to Britain economically, not seeking ways to mitigate the economic fallout and bypass the landbridge. And yet, at the same time as they have been seeking to bolster Britain's Brexit fantasy they are desperate to suck up to Brussels for a pat on the head from their other masters. Good Dog!

The farce of the handling of travel restrictions and quarantine is a toxic mix of FF's general incompetence; their incoherent approach to international affairs not wanting to upset the US/UK particularly; and Martin's personal antipathy to anything that smells like a United Ireland like rejecting a co-ordinated all-island approach to international travel with NI which is only totally uncontroversial common sense - Unionists were perfectly happy to have an all-island approach to other health matters like the Foot & Mouth outbreak in 2002 - but the problem was Micheál Martin's personal loathing of anything that might look like United Ireland-ry if you squint at it the right way.

Claiming it would be impossible to quarantine arrivals to an island looks ridiculous from New Zealand. Though in fairness pretty much every other country's handling of Covid looks ridiculous from Aotearoa :ROFLMAO:

Basically FF have been utter shyte for decades, is what I'm saying, and nobody should really be surprised at how awful they are now.
As we can see from Johnson in the UK and Trump in the US it does not matter how destructive a political grouping is it will succeed once it dominates the media.

In Ireland one political grouping ruled for two thirds of the time since independence because it had media dominance.

It actually owned a section of the media during a long period after 1932.

Its media dominance in the 1997-2010 period was total.

The opposition were imagined then in mainstream media as 'the Ebola virus'.

But for the financial collapse in 2010 and the recent corona virus that political group would have won 6 or 7 elections in a row and still be in dominant position in media and of course in power.

They still have tremendous support in mainstream and public service media.

Their weakness is that the Republicans dominate the internet commentary.

The future is going to be interesting but, as in the past, media will decide who rules us.
 
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So will there be a poll in any of the comics tomorrow?
 

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It's a lot easier if your nearest neighbours is 3,500 miles away, so in NZ i would think practicaly all visiters arrlve by plane, here in Ire. they coome by planes, ferries and by car from NI, so it's a lot harder
Yer just looking for excuses, and like Mehole have an atavistic abhorrence of thinking 32.

The total number of airports and ports onto the island is what, 6 or 7 airports, and 6 or so ports?

That is not difficult to manage. If you wanted to. But you don't. Ho hum.
 

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Yer just looking for excuses, and like Mehole have an atavistic abhorrence of thinking 32.

The total number of airports and ports onto the island is what, 6 or 7 airports, and 6 or so ports?

That is not difficult to manage. If you wanted to. But you don't. Ho hum.
Given that he sat in cabinet for more than a decade while the country was being bankrupt I would not be in the habit of defending MM.

But to be fair the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement agreed that the UK decides what happens in NI until a referendum says no.

With a no deal Brexit on the cards we are not in great shape to be ordering anyone else around.
 

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Yer just looking for excuses, and like Mehole have an atavistic abhorrence of thinking 32.

The total number of airports and ports onto the island is what, 6 or 7 airports, and 6 or so ports?

That is not difficult to manage. If you wanted to. But you don't. Ho hum.
I never said it could not or should not be done, it should be done it was another poster who used NZ as a example and i was just pointing out the difference. As for the 32, it's no good quarentig everyone who comes into the Republic if they can come i through Belfast or larne port and cross the border into the republic.
What should be done is that every viiseter into the whole island should have to produce a negative test result of 2 or 3 days. If they can't they should be bussed off to the Citywest hotel and kept there for 14 days at their own expense.
 

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New ST/B+A poll. SF 30% (+5%), FG 29% (+8), FF 20% (-2), Greens 6% (-1), Ind/Others 9% (-1), Lab 3% (-1), SD 1% (-2), SOLPBP 1% (-1), Renua 1% (+1). While FG up since the GE, they are way lower than the recent MoS/Ireland Thinks poll that had them on 38%. Poll done 17-28th July according to a SF source on twitter.

Apparently this was a face to face poll. Apparently the first such type of poll since the election.

 
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New ST/B+A poll. SF 30% (+5%), FG 29% (+8), FF 20% (-2), Greens 6% (-1), Ind/Others 9% (-1), Lab 3% (-1), SD 1% (-2), SOLPBP 1% (-1), Renua 1% (+1). While FG up since the GE, they are way lower than the recent MoS/Ireland Thinks poll that had them on 38%. Poll done 17-28th July according to a SF source on twitter.

Apparently this was a face to face poll. Apparently the first such type of poll since the election.

 

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Demographic change taking its course over the next 4 and a bit years then SF are sitting on 33% and FFG as low as 45% (SF very low support among over 70s and massive support among under 25s).
SF should be aiming for 80-85 candidates in 2024.
FG will run similiar figures and FF would be acknowledging their decline to a bit part player if they run less. FFG really should amalganate but they're hubris will result in them running over 160 candidates next time and because of voter fragmentation this could actually result in SF having similiar numbers elected to commbined FFG total.
4 years of squirming for the Dublin Establishment, insiders, RTE propagandists awaits.
 

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New ST/B+A poll. SF 30% (+5%), FG 29% (+8), FF 20% (-2), Greens 6% (-1), Ind/Others 9% (-1), Lab 3% (-1), SD 1% (-2), SOLPBP 1% (-1), Renua 1% (+1). While FG up since the GE, they are way lower than the recent MoS/Ireland Thinks poll that had them on 38%. Poll done 17-28th July according to a SF source on twitter.

Apparently this was a face to face poll. Apparently the first such type of poll since the election.

No matter about their pathetic glee at being in government and at long last being a paper tiger Taoiseach, this poll must be a mortal blow to FFG and the various cling-ons.
 

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Never mind the breakdown of numbers....some in the media are having real breakdowns.
The Phoenix are having a bit of craic though :)

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