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Poll: Which politician is most to blame for Ireland's recession ?


Which politician is most to blame for Ireland's recession?

  • Bertie Ahern

    Votes: 342 67.7%
  • Brian Cowen

    Votes: 73 14.5%
  • Mary Harney

    Votes: 6 1.2%
  • John Gormley

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Brian Lenihan

    Votes: 8 1.6%
  • Charlie McCreevy

    Votes: 38 7.5%
  • Michael McDowell

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Enda Kenny

    Votes: 13 2.6%
  • Pat Rabbitte/Eamon Gilmore

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Some Other Politician

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Politicians aren't much to blame

    Votes: 17 3.4%

  • Total voters
    505
  • Poll closed .

cyberianpan

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Ireland is in the throes of a massive economic crisis - spiraling unemployment , a broken banking system, a property crash - a millstone of debt, both personal and state, around out necks for at least 15 years to come.

We are where we are ... indeed... but how did we get here ?

Who got us here ?

Who should have stopped us ending up here ?

Earlier this week we'd a poll on which group was to blame, almost 500 readers voted and the results were damning for politicians, with 53% blaming them above all else.
http://www.politics.ie/economy/126673-group-most-responsible-irelands-recession-being-bad.html

So which politician is most to blame ?

  • Bertie Ahern
  • Brian Cowen
  • Mary Harney
  • John Gormley
  • Brian Lenihan
  • Charlie McCreevy
  • Michael McDowell
  • Enda Kenny
  • Pat Rabbitte/Eamon Gilmore
  • Some Other Politician
  • Politicians aren't much to blame

The above list is sorted A-Z and comprised of the Taoisigh , major party leaders and Ministers for Finance for the period 2002 onwards. I'll total up the results by party when the poll closes.

So who is to blame and why ?

cYp
 
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TommyO'Brien

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Ireland is in the throes of a massive economic crisis - spiraling unemployment , a broken banking system, a property crash - a millstone of debt, both personal and state, around out necks for at least 15 years to come.

We are where we are ... indeed... but how did we get here ?

Who got us here ?

Who should have stopped us ending up here ?

Earlier this week we'd a poll on which group was to blame, almost 500 readers voted and the results were damning for politicians, with 53% blaming them above all else.
http://www.politics.ie/economy/126673-group-most-responsible-irelands-recession-being-bad.html

So which politician is most to blame ?

  • Bertie Ahern
  • Brian Cowen
  • Mary Harney
  • John Gormley
  • Brian Lenihan
  • Charlie McCreevy
  • Michael McDowell
  • Enda Kenny
  • Pat Rabbitte/Eamon Gilmore
  • Some Other Politician
  • Politicians aren't much to blame

The above list is sorted A-Z and comprised of the Taoisigh , major party leaders and Ministers for Finance for the period 2002 onwards. I'll total up the results by party when the poll closes.

So who is to blame and why ?

cYp
But what if more than one is to blame?

The answer in my view is four people:

1. McCreevy - for pushing the light-touch regulation regime.
2. Harney - as above.
3. Cowen - for maintaining the above and pushing spending up by €20b in four years, and pumping up the housing market price spiral rather than allow it to calm down, plus about 4 other reasons.
4. Ahern - for allowing the above three to follow the above policies. And all four are linked to Anglo in various ways.
 

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I gave the nod to McCreevy although to be honest I could have voted for Cowen too.

The role of the Minister for Finance is to ask tough questions and put the welfare of the people ahead of the welfare of the vested interests.

These two ministers for finance were clearly too close to the bankers and developers and did much of their bidding. These two politicians were ultimately responsible for financial regulation.

They had day to day control over the finances, they were in charge of the regulator.

Bertie to be fair spent a lot of time on the Peace Process and other mathers. He was not as in touch with day to day matters in the dept of finance as McCreevy and Cowen.

Had McCreevy sense he would have tried his utmost to head off a property bubble, since all property bubbles end in a crash.
 

Bobert

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Who voted for Enda? Come on now, own up...
 

Herodotus

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Has to be the Bert. Nearly went for Cowen but I had to go for Bertie. His disappearing act while it was going tits up was a despicable attempt to have no blame attached to him and as a result should be blamed more.

He was also the Taoiseach for 11 years.
 

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Has to be Ahern, he was the man in charge of the biggest property bubble we ever experienced, Cowen was his lieutenant general but Ahern was the man at the top.
 

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But what if more than one is to blame?

The answer in my view is four people:

1. McCreevy - for pushing the light-touch regulation regime.
2. Harney - as above.
3. Cowen - for maintaining the above and pushing spending up by €20b in four years, and pumping up the housing market price spiral rather than allow it to calm down, plus about 4 other reasons.
4. Ahern - for allowing the above three to follow the above policies. And all four are linked to Anglo in various ways.
+1. Mc Creevy was a de facto PD who lacked the backbone to leave FF and actually join his political soul-mate in the party of light-touch regulation. For 7 years between 1997 and 2004 , economic policy was PD policy , driven by Harney and McCreevy. These two concocted 7 doctrinaire PD budgets, allowing Ahern to get on with opening pubs or whatever it was he was doing. The game was up in 2004 when McCreevy was moved, but by this time the PD economic culture was well embedded.
So why did Harney seek, even demand, the Dept of Health? The bed of nails! Angola! Why would anyone actually want that? For the answer this, and for a partial explanation of economic policy since 1997, an examination of the career changes of Harney's husband, Brian Geoghegan, recently seen in New Zealand, is very instructive.
 

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The fact that 2 people blame Enda Kenny suggests that partisanship is not dead in Irish politics! :confused: :lol:
 

Fr. Hank Tree

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The fact that 2 people blame Enda Kenny suggests that partisanship is not dead in Irish politics! :confused: :lol:
Pffft. Everyone knows it's FG's fault that FF destroyed the economy.

I voted for Lenny. He represents now what Bertie represented 5years ago. Charlie Haughey represented then what Bertie does now. It goes on and on like this...
 

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While Mc Creevy has to accept some of the blame people need to remember that even he saw that things couldn't last and started to reign back spending only for Bertie to send him to Europe bring in Cowen and drive spending even higher.

So Bertie without a doubt.
 

Fr. Hank Tree

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While Mc Creevy has to accept some of the blame people need to remember that even he saw that things couldn't last and started to reign back spending only for Bertie to send him to Europe bring in Cowen and drive spending even higher.

So Bertie without a doubt.
Yeah he started to reign back spending AFTER embarking on a reckless pre-election 2002 spending splurge. There's no reason to believe he woudn't have done the same at the next election.
 

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Its has to be the Bertie (Santa ) Ahern.He brought off the unions,welfare, and created more quango's for his friends using other peoples money,he also created an even bigger " something for nothing state entitlement state".He had great craic using taxpayers money pretending it was his own.Ya have to hand to the Bert he knew that the voting public think with their pockets and not with their heads
 

atlantic

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Correct
While Mc Creevy has to accept some of the blame people need to remember that even he saw that things couldn't last and started to reign back spending only for Bertie to send him to Europe bring in Cowen and drive spending even higher.

So Bertie without a doubt.
 

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