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Post Brexit Poll: how might the fallout and healing go ?

cyberianpan

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The vote is Thursday 23rd June, bitter divisions have been exposed, the vote will either be leave or stay ...either way, it will be a relatively close thing ... how will the healing go ?

Within the Tory party
--- Gove
--- Cameron
--- Osborne
--- Borris
Between Tory/Labor
The Scottish Question
The Northern Irish Question
The French
--- The Socialists
--- The UMP
--- Emanuel Macron et al
The Germans
--- Merkel's outfits
--- Other factions
The EC
Oz
Canada
The US
--- Obama
--- Billary
--- Trump
The Irish
The East European States
Putin
China

What part might the Queen play ? I've watched the situation very closely ...and I don't think either side has paid much attention to what might happen if they lose ...they've been hell for leather on the fight itself

Thus I believe a thread like this has the capacity to prove useful ...

cYp
 


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I'm no finance expert. But here's my take on the whole debacle. The EU wouldnt even allow Greece to go under, several times no less. Why because it might unstable their "project". They wont allow armegeddon post Brexit for the same reasons.
All these financial institutions saying there will be major instability, chaos etc if they vote leave, I think are just trying to keep their gravy train from rocking. To me, its like scooby doo scare boy tactics, someone behind a dark curtain saying..........."oooooooooooohhh oooooooohhhh" (in that cartoony weird voice) "if you leaveeeeeeee, there'll be helllllllllllllllll........dont do it"!!!

I think there may be downsides to a brexit, but its equally possible there could be opportunities, either way Britain will survive and do just fine.
 

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I'm delighted it looks like they're leaving. Fantastic news despite what Enda is ************************teeing on about.

I'm expecting a return of nurses who won't be bothered getting visas to stay in the UK.
 

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It's up in the air still. There is still a 1-2% lead in the Sun and Opinium polls.

It seems to be going as I predicted - a class divide. In that Stoke walkabout video someone linked to, it mentioned s more mixed attitude in the push parts of town, a d showed a factory where I think the boss was remain and workers for leave.

This is a growing trend in the West - a political divide between rich and poor. This has only recently started to appear in Ireland in the Lisbon I referendum. The EU is seen as representing immigration and cheap imports from China etc because the EU won't allow higher tariffs without consensus.
 

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If Brexit occurs, there will be little to no difference for the UK.
No doubt in my mind that a year from now, the 'REMAIN' campaign will be proven to have used unfounded scaremongering tactics.
(Nor am I saying the 'LEAVE' campaign has been much better)

There's a symbiotic relationship between the UK and EU.
They both need each other.
Neither is going to rock the boat too much.
The EU will also want to ''leave the door open'' for the UK to rejoin.
Imposing stiff penalties & tariffs would be like the kid in the playground who owns the ball taking it away because the game isn't going his way.
You'll hear a lot of 'Cool heads must prevail' rhetoric.

There will be a self-analysis within the EU to try and find out 'where did it all go wrong ?' & 'What made the UK want to leave ?' etc. etc.
The answer will be overwhelmingly immigration, quickly followed by the unwanted interference by unelected EU officials within UK internal affairs.
But because this isn't what the elites want to hear, they'll purposely blame false reasons such as 'The British never truly felt European' and 'They were unhappy at losing the Eurovision for too long'.

The citizens of other EU countries will request their own vote, but will be ignored.

Summing up, very little will change other than scaring the bejaysus out of the ruling elite.
But they will fail to acknowledge the real reasons and continue down their merry path regardless.
And the gap between the elites and the citizens widens further.
 

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It's up in the air still. There is still a 1-2% lead in the Sun and Opinium polls.

It seems to be going as I predicted - a class divide. In that Stoke walkabout video someone linked to, it mentioned s more mixed attitude in the push parts of town, a d showed a factory where I think the boss was remain and workers for leave.

This is a growing trend in the West - a political divide between rich and poor. This has only recently started to appear in Ireland in the Lisbon I referendum. The EU is seen as representing immigration and cheap imports from China etc because the EU won't allow higher tariffs without consensus.
Globalisation is far more responsible for what ails Britain and the rest of us than the EU is...

And whether they're in or out of the EU won't change that...

Those who vote Brexit from poor and working class backgrounds and who expect them and the NHS etc. to be love bombed with money and investment from the likes of Farage and Johnson etc. are likely to very p!ssed off pretty fast.

Same in the good old USA if Trump wins in November... lots of people who are buying his bullsh!t and who think he's on their side will also be pretty p!ssed off pretty fast....

Unless of course globalisation is put back in its box...
 

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It's up in the air still. There is still a 1-2% lead in the Sun and Opinium polls.

It seems to be going as I predicted - a class divide. In that Stoke walkabout video someone linked to, it mentioned s more mixed attitude in the push parts of town, a d showed a factory where I think the boss was remain and workers for leave.

This is a growing trend in the West - a political divide between rich and poor. This has only recently started to appear in Ireland in the Lisbon I referendum. The EU is seen as representing immigration and cheap imports from China etc because the EU won't allow higher tariffs without consensus.
a growing trend? really?
 

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Globalisation is far more responsible for what ails Britain and the rest of us than the EU is...

And whether they're in or out of the EU won't change that...

Those who vote Brexit from poor and working class backgrounds and who expect them and the NHS etc. to be love bombed with money and investment from the likes of Farage and Johnson etc. are likely to very p!ssed off pretty fast.

Same in the good old USA if Trump wins in November... lots of people who are buying his bullsh!t and who think he's on their side will also be pretty p!ssed off pretty fast....

Unless of course globalisation is put back in its box...
It's amazing how short people's memories are - the last time the Tories made promises prior to a referendum was the Scottish one... not much of the pledge was honoured was it?

Maybe it's time to take democracy away from the idiots!?
 

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It's amazing how short people's memories are - the last time the Tories made promises prior to a referendum was the Scottish one... not much of the pledge was honoured was it?

Maybe it's time to take democracy away from the idiots
for instance - EU referendum: British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows | UK Politics | News | The Independent

I bet similar ignorance would be repeated in many countries around Europe.

Some of those perceived numbers are incredible (but credible) all the same..

30% of child benefit being sent abroad!
20% of the British population being EU migrants

Only 5% knew their own MEP

My mother in law didn't even know that there were such a thing as MEPs.. she just trotted out the usual 'they are all unelected mandarins' guff. She hadn't even heard of the council of ministers or knew anything about the structure of the EU.

She's voting out obviously.
 

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for instance - EU referendum: British public wrong about nearly everything, survey shows | UK Politics | News | The Independent

I bet similar ignorance would be repeated in many countries around Europe.

Some of those perceived numbers are incredible (but credible) all the same..

30% of child benefit being sent abroad!
20% of the British population being EU migrants

Only 5% knew their own MEP

My mother in law didn't even know that there were such a thing as MEPs.. she just trotted out the usual 'they are all unelected mandarins' guff. She hadn't even heard of the council of ministers or knew anything about the structure of the EU.

She's voting out obviously.
Ignorance is bliss... until you start allowing the ignorant (and in many cases the wilfully ignorant) to make decisions they're clueless about.

This may well prove to be a gamble too far by Cameron.

He's ridden his luck for a long time now.
 

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I'm delighted it looks like they're leaving. Fantastic news despite what Enda is ************************teeing on about.

I'm expecting a return of nurses who won't be bothered getting visas to stay in the UK.
Do you want brexit just because enda doesn't?
 

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As yer man from Fairview said "chaos is a ladder". It allows some to change their place in society. Brexit will turn everything upsidedown.

I assume the IDA have a plan.
 

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As yer man from Fairview said "chaos is a ladder". It allows some to change their place in society. Brexit will turn everything upsidedown.

I assume the IDA have a plan.
Have they a plan for the implications for Northern Ireland and a border poll?

Or Scotland seeking independence again?

Or a plan to counter fundamental economics if the UK goes into long term retrenchment from capital withdrawal and the decline of the pound?

All of these problems can no doubt be ameliorated by the IDA attracting a brass plate or two from London.
 

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Have they a plan for the implications for Northern Ireland and a border poll?

Or Scotland seeking independence again?

Or a plan to counter fundamental economics if the UK goes into long term retrenchment from capital withdrawal and the decline of the pound?

All of these problems can no doubt be ameliorated by the IDA attracting a brass plate or two from London.
Theyll do what they can and itll help. Post Brexit all FDI to the UK will end until the new order becomes clear - and that will take years.
 

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My mother in law didn't even know that there were such a thing as MEPs.. she just trotted out the usual 'they are all unelected mandarins' guff. She hadn't even heard of the council of ministers or knew anything about the structure of the EU.

She's voting out obviously.
If this kind of ignorance of the EU in its governing structures and in the identity of key players is widespread among the EU's population, then it would certainly have to be taken as a sign of the significant weakness of a European demos, and hence question the current direction of the EU project.

To put it another way, there is an alarming disconnect between the EU ruling elite and the population of the EU. Of course, that disconnect seems to be reflected in a general, and growing disconnect between the political establishment in various EU states and their populations.
 

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Theyll do what they can and itll help. Post Brexit all FDI to the UK will end until the new order becomes clear - and that will take years.
We might do OK out of it.

We could alternatively do disastrously out of it.

My main concern is exports due to the low pound, and Northern Ireland reigniting in some way.
 

meriwether

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If this kind of ignorance of the EU in its governing structures and in the identity of key players is widespread among the EU's population, then it would certainly have to be taken as a sign of the significant weakness of a European demos, and hence question the current direction of the EU project.

To put it another way, there is an alarming disconnect between the EU ruling elite and the population of the EU. Of course, that disconnect seems to be reflected in a general, and growing disconnect between the political establishment in various EU states and their populations.
You could of course educate oneself on the structures of the EU by looking up Wikipedia for 15 minutes.

If you had some questions, you could then possibly go online, find an appropriate forum, and start a thread.

Basically, you could do all this in your underpants on the couch if you wanted to.

You don't need to make an appointment with the office of Jean claude junker for a personal debrief in Brussels.
 

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