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Posts from last year by 'Deep Throat' on the Property Pin forum


conservative green

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I am sick to the pit of my stomach to see what has played out in the media and I cannot bear it any more. The Irish public deserves better and needs to know the whole truth.

I have access to several people in the dail and these are the rumours that are cirulating in the small tight circle of powerful people who really know what has been happening the last few weeks:

- The events of the last few weeks are nothing compared to what has gone behind closed doors and is only known to the few people that attended top level meetings when the Irish banking system nearly hit the wall a few weeks ago. A financial scandal involving several household names was barely kept away from the public as a result of the panic in the stock market and has since been swept under the carpet. There are many individuals who would end up destroyed if the real story ever gets told. Unfortunately for them, the measures introduced did not stop the ********************storm that is coming. The truth can only be contained for a short while, even as I write a desperate cover up is under way to limit the damage that will be done to the Irish establishment once the journos get their heads around the truth (as one individual almost has). Timeline: 3-6 months.

- Mary Harney and the Green Party are now being repositioned by spin doctors as the fall guys for some of the crap that is coming. Expect Harney to resign and the government to collapse as FF blames everybody but themselves. Timeline: 6 months - 1 year.

- A new government will be formed with FG/Labour and SF. A significant proportion of people in the highest ranks of Irish society will have their careers ended.

The truth is out there.

Post 2)

Think of what I am referring to as property Ansbacher, but with land-banks owned by shell companies. The collapse of the Irish banking system made a few individuals very scared, and scared people loosen their tongues. Our so-called political class is up to their armpits in this crap. This stuff has risen to the surface only accidentally in the last few years (for instance, CAB has been chasing corporate phantoms owned by other corporate phantoms).

As for FG and SF not getting into bed together, I have it on good authority that neither would like to face the electorate and will swallow hard and get on with the business of government.

Times have changed out there. Expect surprises.

Post 3)

he world has changed. FF are not the only party with their fingers in the sweety jar. This cuts right across all political divides. Six months ago, nobody would have predicted what has happened to the Irish economy. Perhaps in about six months from now, the unthinkable will happen.

Ask yourself these questions -

- Why have the Irish banks been bailed out and yet no senior banking figures been axed, unlike nearly every other country in Europe in similar circumstances?
- Why did the Financial Regulator not clamp down on irresponsible bank lending to developers?
- Why are the full banking liabilities kept secret?
- Why were Section 23 tax breaks continued even when those in the 'know' saw that the bubble was bursting?

Look to Mr.Juan Antonio Roca of Marbella, as an example.

Look to Argentina. Where is our Elisa Carrió?

There is an elephant is the living room.

Watch this space. Carefully.

Post 4)

Clues. I cannot name names, even hint at names (sorry E).
But I will tell you how it works. Spin doctors are cynical depraved individuals and will use anything to create and manipulate the public sentiment. Just like a stage magician will be flourishing his hand with a handkerchief, while the other hand is actually up to something devious while you are not watching.

Always watch the hand they do not want you to look at.

For instance. It seems politically strange and naive to attack pensioners and remove their medical cards, when all you are saving is €100 million. There are easier ways to save this money without arousing such hostility.

However, this does two things. It will fill the airwaves with shouting and complaining (possibly justified) about 'the poor old people' for weeks and diverts attention away from 'the other hand', the one they do not want you to see. Another prediction - the pensioners will get to keep their medical cards (mostly) whilst at the same time isolating Mary Harney for a future fall when it is politically expedient. While the media obsesses about medical cards, the banking scheme was released, the terrible truth covered up for another little while and the FF head honchos disappear conveniently off the Irish stage to Brussels.

The plan all along was to arouse public hostility as a smoke screen. The medical card fiasco is a huge red herring.

In the coming weeks and months, keep watching the hand the magician does not want you to notice. To quote someone we know, it is all 'smokes and daggers'.

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17 oct 08

I am just saying what I hear. You are entitled to your opinion.

Things have changed fast since I last posted – (link)

It seems that those with something to lose are getting nervous. The announcement that the financial regulator will be examining the banks debts has meant that time is even more limited than I speculated earlier for the massive cover up at the center of the Celtic Tiger to be exposed. The book keepers in the UK and elsewhere are planning to pull the plug if this is not contained. This means using the nuclear option. In the next few weeks an Irish bank will be allowed to fail and a major public figure will be the scape goat. The banks liabilities will be conveniently absorbed by the government without having to disclose who owed what. This seems to be Plan A.

But, just in case, Harney, the Greens and even FF are now exposed to the wrath of the Irish public, the smoke screen of the medical cards was nearly too successful. A useful sideshow. But it has caused deep instability within the government (as it was intended to do) because those behind the scenes with everything to lose are considering relinquishing power in order to save their own skins from the storm that is coming. This seems to be Plan B.

In 2002 and 2005 this scandal was contained, in different and vicious ways. It may not be so easy to cover it up now. The government may fall on its own sword to save the people with real power.

Look for the patterns in the Capital Expenditure Program. Expect Chinese money to be used creatively. There may also be an announcement from the EU on something unexpected. Sir Alan Walters may have been right and if so, this cover up will lead us into Argentinian territory. This may be the unintended Plan C, accompanied by a new Flight of the Earls, except this time the Earls are more crooks than nobles.

The game is nearly up.
Déjà vu? • thepropertypin.com
 

mmrebel

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Deep throat is either up to his eyes in it or a class A1 spoofer.
 

cactusflower

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Spoof, but not far off the mark spoof.

So far, this plot has failed disastrously as the blame is not being diverted from FF to the other parties.

What is true is that government is desperately trying to keep the whole thing (and thus information on the real state of play in the banks) contained within the same "golden circle."

Bank shareholders and bondholders are the people who obviously stand to gain.
 

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Thanks, that post from "DT" was a good laugh, it's been a while since I've seen conspiracy hysteria done properly.

Let me try

"Brace yourselves for the revelations to come shortly, possibly as soon as next week but possibly not also if they get to shut out those in the know. There are tens, maybe hundreds or even thousands or maybe even millions of people in the higher echelons of finance and the elites who have been doing things that I can't talk about right now but it will become all obvious shortly.

Do you think it was a co-incidence that the global financial meltdown occured at the same time as Whispas were re-introduced by Cadbury? I think you know what I mean, but the revelations to come will shake this state to its foundations. They will concern politicians, or maybe journalists or maybe the financial sector or possibly even SIPTU and may include members of the ICTU or even those working in the public sector. I can't tell you what the revelations are at the moment but trust me when I say it will shake bare the tree of corruption and decadence that plagues our elites.

- Why have bankers been put in charge of banks?
- Why have the public sector been asked to take all the cuts?
- Why has the private sector secretly been employing extra people while the "official" jobless figures rise?
- Why has no-one figured out how Jacobs get figs into the fig rolls yet just as a breakthrough seemed imminent Jacobs moved production outside Ireland?

I think you can see where I'm coming from. If you can't, just wait for the revelations to come.

The consequence will see SF taking power owing to the public outrage at the revelations to come and will see Ireland leaving the EU, possibly even leaving the UN. The revelations go right to the top of the tree, leading from local government in Ireland, to the Dail, to the EU, to the UN and reaching up to Goldman Sachs and the Rockefellers. I can't tell you what the revelations will be, but I expect the global financial system will melt followed by the overthrow of the securitisation and short-selling markets and the only currency left will be Whispas. Protect yourself and your families, that's all I can say right now."
 

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Well.

Think of what I am referring to as property Ansbacher, but with land-banks owned by shell companies.
The six Carroll companies form part of what was Zoe Developments, renowned for developing tiny apartments in Dublin city centre, and comprise Vantive Holdings, Peytor Developments, Carragh Enterprises, Parlez International and a related Jersey holding company called Morton Investments

The fall of the house of 'shycoon' Liam Carroll
 

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Some of it might be spoof, but i also heard about the major scandal that was brushed under the carpet last year, and its major.
 

mmrebel

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Some of it might be spoof, but i also heard about the major scandal that was brushed under the carpet last year, and its major.
Well fill us in then instead posting innuendo.
 

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Some of it might be spoof, but i also heard about the major scandal that was brushed under the carpet last year, and its major.
I heard that as well.....involving 2 banks. The DT post is good, but some could have been predicted. Also, the part about the opposition being afraid of going to the electorate is waaaay off. All the Opp parties would love an election.

C
 

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I heard that as well.....involving 2 banks. The DT post is good, but some could have been predicted. Also, the part about the opposition being afraid of going to the electorate is waaaay off. All the Opp parties would love an election.

C
Fill us in - without naming names. Use the word "allegedly" frequently.
 

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Fill us in - without naming names. Use the word "allegedly" frequently.
I heard Anglo was not the only bank that loaned money to buy shares in itself, when the banks were 50% value from their peaks.Allegedly.
 

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Fill us in - without naming names. Use the word "allegedly" frequently.
Hey LDF,

I don't know a whole lot but before I was laid off at Xmas I worked in an area periperal to the property market. So I knew alot of people involved with investors/developers/auctioneers.

4 different people (unknown to each other) on different occasions last October /November told me that something big would allegedly break about AIB and that the things already in the media were allegedly the tip of the iceberg. It was a "wink wink" situation, but at least one person intimated that there would be political involvement in alleged scandals.

The other rumours concerned Irish Nationwide. Honestly, that could have meant Fingletons loans and resignation etc. But again, it was hinted that there is alot of alleged things which people would do anything to prevent comming out.

Maybe it was heresay. On the other hand just before and after Xmas there was an athmosphere were things seemed to be out of control and news and leaks were happening ever day. That seems to have stopped. There have been no bomb shells for several months. The news that does break seems "sanitised". Or maybe I am the only one that thinks that.

Sorry for not having names. None were mentioned. But, these were people who seemed connected and usually they mentioned them in passing in my office or at the back of a conference over coffee etc. I wouldn't have taken much note except it was different unconnected people (albeit close to banking/property) who said fairly similar things.

C
 

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I heard Anglo was not the only bank that loaned money to buy shares in itself, when the banks were 50% value from their peaks.Allegedly.
Thanks D. That makes sense - allegedly.
 

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Hey LDF,

I don't know a whole lot but before I was laid off at Xmas I worked in an area periperal to the property market. So I knew alot of people involved with investors/developers/auctioneers.

4 different people (unknown to each other) on different occasions last October /November told me that something big would allegedly break about AIB and that the things already in the media were allegedly the tip of the iceberg. It was a "wink wink" situation, but at least one person intimated that there would be political involvement in alleged scandals.

The other rumours concerned Irish Nationwide. Honestly, that could have meant Fingletons loans and resignation etc. But again, it was hinted that there is alot of alleged things which people would do anything to prevent comming out.

Maybe it was heresay. On the other hand just before and after Xmas there was an athmosphere were things seemed to be out of control and news and leaks were happening ever day. That seems to have stopped. There have been no bomb shells for several months. The news that does break seems "sanitised". Or maybe I am the only one that thinks that.

Sorry for not having names. None were mentioned. But, these were people who seemed connected and usually they mentioned them in passing in my office or at the back of a conference over coffee etc. I wouldn't have taken much note except it was different unconnected people (albeit close to banking/property) who said fairly similar things.

C
Thanks C
 

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Coolio. Again, I know its vague. But, there are alot of co-incidences in alot of people hearing things at this particular time.

C
Yup, and I heard this before the Anglo stuff happened and heard it before the Golden Circle story came out. Anglo is being blamed for everything, but they were not the only bold boy in the class.....
 

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Yes i heard re AIB last year or two years ago but without substance because i was asked to buy shares in AIB. I asked the person in question why? He said that there will be a takeover or buyout from a British Bank. At that time, i thought why not but backed off.

I am glad that i didn't buy it as ISEQ now way down by 70%.
 
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