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Poverty " why the poor will always be with us" its all down to Politics


supermac2

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Just caught this on bbc 4 last night its a bit michael mooore ish but none the less

FAscinating stuff & very worth watching on i player

you may need expat.com or the like

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http://www.open.edu/openlearn/society/international-development/ou-on-the-bbc-why-poverty


http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/p010jx3m/


Why Poverty?, a series of documentaries highlighting contemporary poverty around the world,

From a behind-the-scenes look at Bob Geldof and Bono’s 30 year campaign and the moving story of illiterate women becoming solar engineers, to films exploring the impact of multinationals in Zambia and the privatisation of education in China, the series will give expression to a diverse range of voices from around the world and hopes to start a new debate about contemporary poverty.

Dr Helen Yanacopulos, Senior Lecturer in International Politics and Development at The Open University and Academic Consultant for the series, said: “In asking the provocative question, Why Poverty?, the films link poverty to global processes of economic, political and social change, and the everyday choices and uncertainties we all face. The programmes and supporting online information are part of The Open University’s commitment to education and social justice. We’d love viewers to join the global debate and ask Why Poverty?”

Launching with Four Born Every Second the spotlight is on birth and infant mortality around the world, and how circumstances and place of birth determine life expectancy.

Give Us The Money reviews Bob Geldof and Bono’s campaign to make poverty history.

Stealing Africa looks at why Zambia, one of the most mineral rich countries in Africa, is also one of the most economically poor.

Park Avenue: Money, Power and The American Dream focuses on two Park Avenues in Manhattan – a plush apartment building and an area in the South Bronx where life prospects are less good.

Poor Us – An Animated History of Poverty looks back at the changing attitudes to poverty throughout history.

Solar Mamas follows the remarkable story of Jordanian mother-of-four, Rafea, who overcomes the objections of her patriarchal husband to train as a solar engineer and bring light to her beleaguered village.

The Great Land Rush focuses on food security and the rush for arable land as vast tracks of the developing world are bought up or leased by multi-national agribusiness.

Finally, China’s Ant People explores the privatisation of the Chinese education system which sees many of the country’s poorest children studying at low standard private colleges and two million graduates each year who end up with no job – the so called ‘ant tribe’.
 
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Trainwreck

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There will always be poverty because we define poverty as a something relative to the average.

What we have had is an amazing drop in human hardship even for the poorest, a dramatic rise in longevity and health, weight, height, education, child welfare etc. etc. etc.
 

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There will always be poverty because we define poverty as a something relative to the average.

What we have had is an amazing drop in human hardship even for the poorest, a dramatic rise in longevity and health, weight, height, education, child welfare etc. etc. etc.
Very true is huge parts of the world. But in India and Africa particularly real poverty exists. India has more poor people than all of Africa combined.

The only thing that has ever eliminated poverty is government action, and, dare I say it - socialism.
 

Con Gallagher

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There will always be poverty because we define poverty as a something relative to the average.
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That's relative poverty. There is also the indicators of actual
Poverty eg missing hot meals, tattered furniture, old clothes, etc

A universal basic income system is probably the only way to eliminate actual poverty. There is however no appetite to replace the many many social welfare programmes with one which works.
 
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Very true is huge parts of the world. But in India and Africa particularly real poverty exists. India has more poor people than all of Africa combined.

The only thing that has ever eliminated poverty is government action, and, dare I say it - socialism.
Eh, where? One example will suffice.
 

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supermac2

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Ever year more and more people are lifted out of poverty. If the government got out of the way, even more people would be freed from real poverty.
Watch
Park Avenue: Money, Power and The American Dream focuses on two Park Avenues in Manhattan – a plush apartment building and an area in the South Bronx where life prospects are less good.

you may change your opinion its obvious trickle down economics does not work

or google
KOch Brothers - romney ryan , 740 park avenue , ulysses shuddered, etc etc
 
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Watch
Park Avenue: Money, Power and The American Dream focuses on two Park Avenues in Manhattan – a plush apartment building and an area in the South Bronx where life prospects are less good.

you may change your opinion its obvious trickle down economics does not work

or google
KOch Brothers - romney ryan , 740 park avenue , ulysses shuddered, etc etc


Photo

Have a look at this graph and see if you might reconsider your opinion.
 

Mossy Heneberry

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Park Avenue: Money, Power and The American Dream focuses on two Park Avenues in Manhattan – a plush apartment building and an area in the South Bronx where life prospects are less good.

you may change your opinion its obvious trickle down economics does not work

or google
KOch Brothers - romney ryan , 740 park avenue , ulysses shuddered, etc etc
I'm sure life in the South Bronx might be less good than the plush apartment but it is much better when compared to fifty or even twenty years ago.
 
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There will always be poverty because we define poverty as a something relative to the average.

What we have had is an amazing drop in human hardship even for the poorest, a dramatic rise in longevity and health, weight, height, education, child welfare etc. etc. etc.
Yeah it only takes two parents working full time to afford a home now whereas it used to take three... oh, sorry, it used to take 1.

Tell me again how the world is getting better?
 
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Yeah it only takes two parents working full time to afford a home now whereas it used to take three... oh, sorry, it used to take 1.

Tell me again how the world is getting better?
For one thing, 100-150 years ago everyone in the house worked, including children. Often for 6 days a week.
 

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Was hoping to see this, must check the listings to see if it's repeated. Does anyone remember the PD's Reichsfuhrer Micheal McDowell suggesting that having poor people in society isn't such a bad thing as it serves as a warning to the rest of society what happens to you if you happen to be lesss fortunate ?

 

thegregster

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We will have an underclass in Ireland that is left over from the building boom. Illiterate fools who left school early with no skills bar constrution ones. They are of no use to anybody. They will never work again unless we start building 90,000 houses a year which we dont need.

The irish government should pay Canada/Aus etc to take them. Sent them to a country that is in the middle of a bubble.
 
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Was hoping to see this, must check the listings to see if it's repeated. Does anyone remember the PD's Reichsfuhrer Micheal McDowell suggesting that having poor people in society isn't such a bad thing as it serves as a warning to the rest of society what happens to you if you happen to be lesss fortunate ?

No, I don't remember. Do you have a link?
 

thegregster

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Was hoping to see this, must check the listings to see if it's repeated. Does anyone remember the PD's Reichsfuhrer Micheal McDowell suggesting that having poor people in society isn't such a bad thing as it serves as a warning to the rest of society what happens to you if you happen to be lesss fortunate ?


No Mcdowell was saying you can't pay a guy sweeping the streets a big wage.
 
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Then it got better and now its getting worse again.
I think you need to have a proper sense of perspective. Incomes in the West have dropped back to where they were a few years ago, not back to London in the 1840s!

We in the West have an incredible standard of living.
 

FloatingVoterTralee

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The Bono/Geldof documentary was on TG4 last night, will be repeated on Thursday - mixed feelings about them from African campaigners, in that the cult of celebrity has prevented grass-roots campaigners from making any inroads with world leaders.
 
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