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President Higgins does another solo run on Europe


Shqiptar

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It doesn't matter that I think there's a lot in what he says or that someone needs to be saying what he's saying. Nor does it matter (although it's important) that he does seem a little out of his depth on some issues. I mean, how does one reform the European Central Bank; what has he got in mind?

It's the fact that he's stepping away beyond the boundaries of his constitutional role. Did the government give the okay for him to say what he said in the Financial Times issue? I seriously doubt it. Why would they let him hold forth at length with ideas that are far removed from government policy?

Michael D, if you wanted to keep up the left-wing firebrand role, you shouldn't have become President.

Irish president warns of social upheaval - FT.com
 

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You don't have to be on the Left to recognise the flaws in the ECB system. I think the focus on inflation is too one-dimensional. The Germans insisted on this as a price for agreeing to ditch the stable Deutschmark. But 2%? Does it really need to be that low if it means the periphery gets crucified with interest rates unsuited to us? The countries that have gone into recession are all on the periphery of Europe.
 

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He's a bit of a legend. No doubt his answer is more Europe, but at least he is not one of those types who will defend any status quo as long as it comes from Brussels.
 

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He's a bit of a legend. No doubt his answer is more Europe, but at least he is not one of those types who will defend any status quo as long as it comes from Brussels.
Yeah but its not the role of the President to speak either way on these matters, we have clear separation of powers and he is using the Presidency to put forward every brain fart that comes into his head. He was calling for pluralist economics the other day FFS.

Note I would be equally critical of a centre right President. The last President I think who did the job as it should be done was Patrick Hilary, seen and not heard.
 

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More of the same Mr. President, you are a national treasure becoming a European one!:D
 

stopdoingstuff

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Yeah but its not the role of the President to speak either way on these matters, we have clear separation of powers and he is using the Presidency to put forward every brain fart that comes into his head. He was calling for pluralist economics the other day FFS.

Note I would be equally critical of a centre right President. The last President I think who did the job as it should be done was Patrick Hilary, seen and not heard.
That's true. I might agree with th thrust of his message but it would be better if the President stuck to shaking hands with visitors and saying dumb stuff about the famine at arts (Orts) festivals.
 

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Yeah but its not the role of the President to speak either way on these matters, we have clear separation of powers and he is using the Presidency to put forward every brain fart that comes into his head. He was calling for pluralist economics the other day FFS.

Note I would be equally critical of a centre right President. The last President I think who did the job as it should be done was Patrick Hilary, seen and not heard.
Who said its not the role of the president to voice opinions?

Where is that written?
 

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Wasn't President Higgins a member of the Cabinet when much of the architecture surrounding the ECB, the Euro etc.. put in place? What's more there was a Labour finance Minister (Ruairi Quinn). Why was there so little debate in the 90's surrounding the Euro? The 8 Billion promised by Albert seemed to dampen any debate on the Maastricht Treaty. As far as I can remember only the Green Party and Sinn Fein and the Socialist Party were opposed to the Euro. Unfortunately some of their warnings and predictions have come true. The Irish electorate really need to wake up and grown up.
 

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Also, why was Higgins at a partisan Labour event last night?
 

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I'm sure all was cleared with Eamonn beforehand!
 

Shqiptar

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Yeah but its not the role of the President to speak either way on these matters, we have clear separation of powers and he is using the Presidency to put forward every brain fart that comes into his head. He was calling for pluralist economics the other day FFS.

Note I would be equally critical of a centre right President. The last President I think who did the job as it should be done was Patrick Hilary, seen and not heard.
It's a fine line to tread, trying to stick within constitutional protocols and still showing leadership and initiative in some areas. I thought Mary McAleese did a fine job, raising contentious issues (attitudes to alcohol, for example) in a way that made people blink while not stepping on governmental toes.

Higgins is driving a coach and four horses through the whole thing.
 

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Who said its not the role of the president to voice opinions?

Where is that written?
Do you really think that all the Fine Gale voters who opted for Higgins in order to keep out Sean Gallagher because of his Fianna Fáil background really voted for him so his far-left opinions could be voiced :roll:

The President is only a figure head with very limited powers, it is not his position to speak on behalf of the state on important contentious political matters.
 

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Probably because he's a Labour Party member
There is the problem, the Presidency has traditionally been above party politics, he is polarising it in order to voice political opinions.
 

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It's a fine line to tread, trying to stick within constitutional protocols and still showing leadership and initiative in some areas. I thought Mary McAleese did a fine job, raising contentious issues (attitudes to alcohol, for example) in a way that made people blink while not stepping on governmental toes.

Higgins is driving a coach and four horses through the whole thing.
a lot of these protocols are just that,inherited traditions rather than legally defined and established by acquiescence to unwritten norms rather than to the legalistic framework.
 

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There is the problem, the Presidency has traditionally been above party politics, he is polarising it in order to voice political opinions.
Key word: ''traditionally:'' shake it up.
 
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