President Trump in China and Vietnam

JacquesHughes

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Mr Nice Guy?
Many presidents are glad to get away from 'the land of the free', about mid-term, and stride the world with dignity and protocol, meeting people whose expectations of getting anything from the White House are very low indeed.
Has anyone else thought the bullying, fire-breathing demagoging Trump actually turns out to be keen to please in a one-on-one situation? eg the fulsome personal warmth to Xi Jinping, and on other occasions to President Macron, President Nieto etc ; persons he had previously announced to be ideological adversaries.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/editorpicks/trump-talks-very-tough-on-trade-now-that-he’s-out-of-china/ar-BBENXu0?ocid=spartandhp

At least in Da Nang, unlike Presidents John Kerry and John McCain ( had they been elected), Trump won't have the embarrassment of regaling his hosts with stories of 'the last time I came through here' [on a Zippo raid with the Green Berets], as he wisely stayed Stateside during the sixties getting several draft deferments as a student.
Donald Trump set to come under attack over Vietnam deferments - Telegraph
 


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Mr Nice Guy?
Many presidents are glad to get away from 'the land of the free', about mid-term, and stride the world with dignity and protocol, meeting people whose expectations of getting anything from the White House are very low indeed.
Has anyone else thought the bullying, fire-breathing demagoging Trump actually turns out to be keen to please in a one-on-one situation? eg the fulsome personal warmth to Xi Jinping, and on other occasions to President Macron, President Nieto etc ; persons he had previously announced to be ideological adversaries.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/editorpicks/trump-talks-very-tough-on-trade-now-that-he’s-out-of-china/ar-BBENXu0?ocid=spartandhp

At least in Da Nang, unlike Presidents John Kerry and John McCain ( had they been elected), Trump won't have the embarrassment of regaling his hosts with stories of 'the last time I came through here' [on a Zippo raid with the Green Berets], as he wisely stayed Stateside during the sixties getting several draft deferments as a student.
Donald Trump set to come under attack over Vietnam deferments - Telegraph
:)
 

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Mr Nice Guy?
Many presidents are glad to get away from 'the land of the free', about mid-term, and stride the world with dignity and protocol, meeting people whose expectations of getting anything from the White House are very low indeed.
Has anyone else thought the bullying, fire-breathing demagoging Trump actually turns out to be keen to please in a one-on-one situation? eg the fulsome personal warmth to Xi Jinping, and on other occasions to President Macron, President Nieto etc ; persons he had previously announced to be ideological adversaries.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/editorpicks/trump-talks-very-tough-on-trade-now-that-he’s-out-of-china/ar-BBENXu0?ocid=spartandhp

At least in Da Nang, unlike Presidents John Kerry and John McCain ( had they been elected), Trump won't have the embarrassment of regaling his hosts with stories of 'the last time I came through here' [on a Zippo raid with the Green Berets], as he wisely stayed Stateside during the sixties getting several draft deferments as a student.
Donald Trump set to come under attack over Vietnam deferments - Telegraph
Trump is one very smart cookie

- he also a great public performer

He knows when to Blow

- and when to inhale

People can sling barbs at him

- but he always comes up floating....



BTW Donald Trump WON I S.C. with 54% of the Popular Vote!:cool:
 

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Trump is one very smart cookie

- he also a great public performer

He knows when to Blow

- and when to inhale

People can sling barbs at him

- but he always comes up floating....



BTW Donald Trump WON I S.C. with 54% of the Popular Vote!:cool:
turds float
 

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Trump has done incredible work in exposing how useless and self serving his competing Politicians were / are .

These people are / were so bad that they could not beat Donald Trump .
 

Jack Walsh

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Well Grace as the late great Dr Hunter S Thompson once said:

In an upwardly mobile society - the big bits float to the Top.....:cool:
I think we can safely say if Hunter S Thomspon were alive he would say "Trump is a cu*t"

A reminder of what he thought of Nixon should give you a clue just how much he would have viscerally despised the current incumbent

I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1994/07/he-was-a-crook/308699/
 

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John Kerry was a leader of American vets against the Vietnam war. He did his war service, and then campaigned against the Vietnam war- to very good effect. John McCain was a POW. It is true though that both would have had difficulties if they had to go to Vietnam though in official capacity.
On the positive for them : they both had credibility with the US armed forces and it's veterns.
 

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Wasn't Trump a draft dodger using his fathers wealth to fake some foot injury?
 

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https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-says-people-will-die-as-a-result-of-focus-on-russia-allegations/

Staggering naivete on a biblical scale

Not only should the US totally believe Putin but they are "insulting him" by even suggesting he would do such a thing.
How can a man who would win Olympic gold for lying, be so stupid as to take anything Putin says at face value?

This entire trip has been characterised by Nations seizing on Trump's incredible stupidity and naivete for the most basic of ploys, faux flattery.
 

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Donald comes from the realist school of foreign policy which puts accomplishing common objectives before pious lectures to other states about their domestic policies. Obamas foreign policy left Trump an Iraq and Syria largely in ISIS hands - this week ISIS lost its last city in Syria and ISIS is losing in Iraq.
 

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Donald comes from the realist school of foreign policy which puts accomplishing common objectives before pious lectures to other states about their domestic policies. Obamas foreign policy left Trump an Iraq and Syria largely in ISIS hands - this week ISIS lost its last city in Syria and ISIS is losing in Iraq.

He went all over Europe behaving like a despot and a spoilt brat, picking fights with everyone
Now he goes to Asia and behaves like a pussy

He comes from no school,
Attempts to paint him as some sort of strategist are risible
He doesn't know what he will do from minute to minute
 

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Donald comes from the realist school of foreign policy which puts accomplishing common objectives before pious lectures to other states about their domestic policies. Obamas foreign policy left Trump an Iraq and Syria largely in ISIS hands - this week ISIS lost its last city in Syria and ISIS is losing in Iraq.
No, you utter, utter nincompoop. He is not a realist. Hell, what you are trying to use to distinguish realism from something else can just as much be said about liberal internationalism or neoconservatism.

In any case, those two points are pretty much the extent of Trump’s alleged “realism.” Nowhere in his Times interview do you find references to the core logic of realist theory or the key tenets of a “realist” foreign policy. Trump talks a lot about power and strength but doesn’t say where it comes from, and he never identifies what U.S. vital interests are or presents a George Kennan-esque focus on key centers of industrial power. There is no indication that Trump understands the workings of balance of power theory — arguably the core idea in the realist canon — and there’s little sign that he grasps the essential features of a globalized world economy.
No, @realDonaldTrump Is Not a Realist – Foreign Policy
 

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The US paid too much attention to the Middle East and Europe not enough attention to the Asia-Pacific region. China is a bigger threat to US interests than Russia but they spent the 90's pushing into the former Soviet sphere of influence and ignoring the larger problem to the east.

It would have been in their best interests to pivot to south east Asia before they did, that's the fault of successive administrations prior to this one.
 

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The US paid too much attention to the Middle East and Europe not enough attention to the Asia-Pacific region. China is a bigger threat to US interests than Russia but they spent the 90's pushing into the former Soviet sphere of influence and ignoring the larger problem to the east.

It would have been in their best interests to pivot to south east Asia before they did, that's the fault of successive administrations prior to this one.
I notice the disgraceful lack of wars in the region because of the lack of interest. Thank the bhudda the yanks were fixated on the middle east says everyone in asia
 

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Mr Nice Guy?
Many presidents are glad to get away from 'the land of the free', about mid-term, and stride the world with dignity and protocol, meeting people whose expectations of getting anything from the White House are very low indeed.
Has anyone else thought the bullying, fire-breathing demagoging Trump actually turns out to be keen to please in a one-on-one situation? eg the fulsome personal warmth to Xi Jinping, and on other occasions to President Macron, President Nieto etc ; persons he had previously announced to be ideological adversaries.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/editorpicks/trump-talks-very-tough-on-trade-now-that-he’s-out-of-china/ar-BBENXu0?ocid=spartandhp

At least in Da Nang, unlike Presidents John Kerry and John McCain ( had they been elected), Trump won't have the embarrassment of regaling his hosts with stories of 'the last time I came through here' [on a Zippo raid with the Green Berets], as he wisely stayed Stateside during the sixties getting several draft deferments as a student.
Donald Trump set to come under attack over Vietnam deferments - Telegraph
Yeah, when some were doing battle with the VC , Trump was avoiding encounters with the VD.
 


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