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Preventing public sector strikes with the fear of being sacked in summary dismissals and compulsory redundancies


patslatt

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Preventing public sector strikes with the fear of being sacked in summary dismissals and compulsory redundancies

Taoiseach Kenny hinted in recent days that the public sector unions do not have an entitlement to jobs for life,possibly signalling that the government would resort to dismissals of their workers.To meet Troika dictated savings on pay,the government may be forced to use compulsory redundancies of up to one in twelve employees of the civil service.But it could avoid those redundancies if it could get the pay savings through long overdue cuts in civil service pay which is still 48% higher than the private sector average according to the latest CSO figures.

However,many unions threaten to engage in work to rule and strikes to prevent pay cuts. Working to rule is difficult for managers to discipline,so the government probably would have to give managers arbitrary powers of summary dismissal of workers who are not giving "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay". Hopefully,the threat of using such powers and of compulsory redundancies would induce enough fear in the civil service to prevent industrial action in the first place. Unlike private sector workers who learn to live with the ever present fear of being sacked,civil servants who generally put a very high value on jobs for life would be terrified by that fear.
 

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Taoiseach Kenny hinted in recent days that the public sector unions do not have an entitlement to jobs for life,possibly signalling that the government would resort to dismissals of their workers.To meet Troika dictated savings on pay,the government may be forced to use compulsory redundancies of up to one in twelve employees of the civil service.But it could avoid those redundancies if it could get the pay savings through long overdue cuts in civil service pay which is still 48% higher than the private sector average according to the latest CSO figures.

However,many unions threaten to engage in work to rule and strikes to prevent pay cuts. Working to rule is difficult for managers to discipline,so the government probably would have to give managers arbitrary powers of summary dismissal of workers who are not giving "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay". Hopefully,the threat of using such powers and of compulsory redundancies would induce enough fear in the civil service to prevent industrial action in the first place. Unlike private sector workers who learn to live with the ever present fear of being sacked,civil servants who generally put a very high value on jobs for life would be terrified by that fear.
It's wonderful to see that the 1913 spirit of William Martin Murphy is alive and kicking a century later. I'm sure you're proud to be associated with such a personality.
 

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It's wonderful to see that the 1913 spirit of William Martin Murphy is alive and kicking a century later. I'm sure you're proud to be associated with such a personality.

"Arbitrary powers of summary dismissal". You would have certainly gone down very well in the Third Reich.
 

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Enda needs to grow some balls, the broken window fallacy of continued deficit spending to fund current expenditure is a nice bit of makebelieve but reality is coming. The unions are playing him and his so called government like fools.

He should threaten to arrest the union leaders if they start causing problems. It is time to suspend rule of law until we reduce debt/GDP to under 50%.
 
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However,many unions threaten to engage in work to rule and strikes to prevent pay cuts. Working to rule is difficult for managers to discipline,so the government probably would have to give managers arbitrary powers of summary dismissal of workers who are not giving "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay".
You clearly haven't a clue what "work to rule" actually means.
 

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Enda needs to grow some balls, the broken window fallacy of continued deficit spending to fund current expenditure is a nice dream but is not based on any sort of reality. The unions are playing him his so called government like fools.

He should threaten to arrest the union leaders if they start causing problems. It is time to suspend rule of law until we reduce debt/GDP to under 50%.
Lol. go get em Rambo
 

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Patslatts daily 'bash-the-public sector' thread.

Interestingly enough the ANC government in South Africa are actually implementing what you are suggesting and it has led to INCREASED and prolonged and often violent (perpetrated by the state) strike action across entire sectors of South African society both public and private - and it has virtually brought both the government and the economy to its knees.

He should threaten to arrest the union leaders if they start causing problems. It is time to suspend rule of law until we reduce debt/GDP to under 50%.
1. most trade union members would actually welcome the arrest of the union leaders - it has been the leadership that is holding back the members for engaging in a full scale confrontation with the government.
2. Suspend the 'rule of law' to protect that bankers, spivs and speculators and the top 10% rich elites of the country by establishing a dictatorship :roll: - get ready for open warfare if you try it.
 

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Enda needs to grow some balls, the broken window fallacy of continued deficit spending to fund current expenditure is a nice dream but is not based on any sort of reality. The unions are playing him his so called government like fools.

He should threaten to arrest the union leaders if they start causing problems. It is time to suspend rule of law until we reduce debt/GDP to under 50%.
Heh heh, very good...:)

Though to develop point, who would do all this arresting? The guards? Sure, they'd be right on board with all this.

Never a good idea to beat and thrash the servants tooo much; the kitchen help may never be able to rise up and kill you, but they sure as hell could blend a turd into your Chocolate Cake Delight, and sweetly tell you about it just after it enters your digestive system...so don't kick them around too much, eh?
 

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Enda needs to grow some balls, the broken window fallacy of continued deficit spending to fund current expenditure is a nice dream but is not based on any sort of reality. The unions are playing him his so called government like fools.

He should threaten to arrest the union leaders if they start causing problems. It is time to suspend rule of law until we reduce debt/GDP to under 50%.
Yeah, Pinochet got things spot on, didn't he.
 

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Taoiseach Kenny hinted in recent days that the public sector unions do not have an entitlement to jobs for life,possibly signalling that the government would resort to dismissals of their workers.To meet Troika dictated savings on pay,the government may be forced to use compulsory redundancies of up to one in twelve employees of the civil service.But it could avoid those redundancies if it could get the pay savings through long overdue cuts in civil service pay which is still 48% higher than the private sector average according to the latest CSO figures.

However,many unions threaten to engage in work to rule and strikes to prevent pay cuts. Working to rule is difficult for managers to discipline,so the government probably would have to give managers arbitrary powers of summary dismissal of workers who are not giving "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay". Hopefully,the threat of using such powers and of compulsory redundancies would induce enough fear in the civil service to prevent industrial action in the first place. Unlike private sector workers who learn to live with the ever present fear of being sacked,civil servants who generally put a very high value on jobs for life would be terrified by that fear.
I love it when you talk Dirty Pat.
Give me some "torture 'em" or "death squads" or a smidgin of "throw them from the helicopters" and you will make my night.
 

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Enda needs to grow some balls, the broken window fallacy of continued deficit spending to fund current expenditure is a nice dream but is not based on any sort of reality. The unions are playing him his so called government like fools.

He should threaten to arrest the union leaders if they start causing problems. It is time to suspend rule of law until we reduce debt/GDP to under 50%.
I would love you to tell me who exactly is going to enforce your dictatorship ?
 

patslatt

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You clearly haven't a clue what "work to rule" actually means.
Using an excessively pedantic and literal interpretation of employment contract laws and regulations as an excuse to work as slowly as possible.
 

patslatt

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Patslatts daily 'bash-the-public sector' thread.

Interestingly enough the ANC government in South Africa are actually implementing what you are suggesting and it has led to INCREASED and prolonged and often violent (perpetrated by the state) strike action across entire sectors of South African society both public and private - and it has virtually brought both the government and the economy to its knees.


1. most trade union members would actually welcome the arrest of the union leaders - it has been the leadership that is holding back the members for engaging in a full scale confrontation with the government.
2. Suspend the 'rule of law' to protect that bankers, spivs and speculators and the top 10% rich elites of the country by establishing a dictatorship :roll: - get ready for open warfare if you try it.
Emulating impoverished miners in South Africa,the Irish civil service strikers will parade aggressively in the streets carrying cudgels and staves!
 

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Heh heh, very good...:)

Though to develop point, who would do all this arresting? The guards? Sure, they'd be right on board with all this.

Never a good idea to beat and thrash the servants tooo much; the kitchen help may never be able to rise up and kill you, but they sure as hell could blend a turd into your Chocolate Cake Delight, and sweetly tell you about it just after it enters your digestive system...so don't kick them around too much, eh?
Gift for disgusting conversation above.
 

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Taoiseach Kenny hinted in recent days that the public sector unions do not have an entitlement to jobs for life,possibly signalling that the government would resort to dismissals of their workers.To meet Troika dictated savings on pay,the government may be forced to use compulsory redundancies of up to one in twelve employees of the civil service.But it could avoid those redundancies if it could get the pay savings through long overdue cuts in civil service pay which is still 48% higher than the private sector average according to the latest CSO figures.

However,many unions threaten to engage in work to rule and strikes to prevent pay cuts. Working to rule is difficult for managers to discipline,so the government probably would have to give managers arbitrary powers of summary dismissal of workers who are not giving "an honest day's work for an honest day's pay". Hopefully,the threat of using such powers and of compulsory redundancies would induce enough fear in the civil service to prevent industrial action in the first place. Unlike private sector workers who learn to live with the ever present fear of being sacked,civil servants who generally put a very high value on jobs for life would be terrified by that fear.
Fear of being sacked in summary dismissals and compulsory redundancies is just part of normal life?.. what's special about the public sector?
 

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I love it when you talk Dirty Pat.
Give me some "torture 'em" or "death squads" or a smidgin of "throw them from the helicopters" and you will make my night.
Above is a classic example of privileged civil servant victimhood.
 
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