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Primetime - childcare creaming ordinary workers......


nonpartyboy

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Moving on from the fact that ordinary workers are taxed to the hilt, now the fact that working families are being screwed to try and keep the show on the road........
 

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Moving on from the fact that ordinary workers are taxed to the hilt, now the fact that working families are being screwed to try and keep the show on the road........
If childcare costs more than someone earns why should they do it, and more importantly why should the rest of us pay for it?
 

Disillusioned democrat

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This was always the case, childcare costs had nothing to do with cost of running the crèche, but all to do with calculating how high parents were prepared to go to keep the two jobs, mostly as an investment in the future.
 

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Cut your cloth according to your measure. whomever earns most or is happiest in job stays working. Less demand will reduce costs. Or else invest heavily in community creches via property tax as a job creation measure.
 
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If childcare costs more than someone earns why should they do it, and more importantly why should the rest of us pay for it?
Exactly, raise your own bloody kids or don't have any.

However... you should not NEED two incomes to afford a home nor should you be allowed borrow for one based on more than one income.
Our prev govt has failed a whole generation of families and this one is openly trying to do the same.
 

nonpartyboy

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If childcare costs more than someone earns why should they do it, and more importantly why should the rest of us pay for it?
I totally agree with that in terms of community creches, where the parent leaves there child in a massively subsidised creche and goes to work in the local petrol station, but childcare should be subsidised for all parents to some degree where you should have to be earning a decent wage for it to be of benefit for you......
 

devoutcapitalist

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that union guy calling for another public service childcare system another public sector quango methinks.
 

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Moving on from the fact that ordinary workers are taxed to the hilt, now the fact that working families are being screwed to try and keep the show on the road........
Lets not forget the extraordinary workers and the working singles while we are at it. Splitter!!! :)
 

nonpartyboy

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Exactly, raise your own bloody kids or don't have any.

However... you should not NEED two incomes to afford a home nor should you be allowed borrow for one based on more than one income.
Our prev govt has failed a whole generation of families and this one is openly trying to do the same.
That is what is going to happen from now, but there is an entire generation out there who cannot survive without 2 incomes, you can hammer them into the ground, but exactly how much money do you want to have to pour into the banks ?

Because you will end up paying one way or the other........you can pay to have their children minded or you can pay to fix the holes in the banks when they default on their loans......you decide.
 

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what about afterschool care - open up the schools to mind kids on premises after school by childcare pros - we pay 3 kids for 3 days AFTERSCHOOL CARE - €220 a wk, grandparents do the other two days. him indoors in and out of work, we made the decision this mth to give it all up and hope parents can help us out when he has work on, unless he gets long term work and then it is back to the overpriced creche.
 

gatsbygirl20

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that union guy calling for another public service childcare system another public sector quango methinks.
Well,the reason he's calling for it to be a public service is that private childcare (the only kind we have) is crippling working people and is the most expensive in Europe

Something to be remembered when we yell for things to be "privatised"--as if that were a magic solution

And for all this talk of the free market taking care of things, creches are continually asking for dig-outs from the taxpayer

Creches are big business, but rather than moderating costs, or even --heaven forbid--charging what the market will bear, they want the taxpayer to make up the difference

"Why are creches not subsidised by the government?" is the continual refrain....
 

nonpartyboy

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what about afterschool care - open up the schools to mind kids on premises after school by childcare pros - we pay 3 kids for 3 days AFTERSCHOOL CARE - €220 a wk, grandparents do the other two days. him indoors in and out of work, we made the decision this mth to give it all up and hope parents can help us out when he has work on, unless he gets long term work and then it is back to the overpriced creche.
************************ me, that's some money even at that...........the missus is now not working days anymore, we reckon we are €300 a month better off, taking into consideration no childcare costs/ no diesel/ including loss of wages.........a no brainer really.
 
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That is what is going to happen from now, but there is an entire generation out there who cannot survive without 2 incomes, you can hammer them into the ground, but exactly how much money do you want to have to pour into the banks ?

Because you will end up paying one way or the other........you can pay to have their children minded or you can pay to fix the holes in the banks when they default on their loans......you decide.
Is it? Have we brought in legislation to prevent house prices from going out of control again?
Last I heard they were looking for a return to high house prices.
 

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If childcare costs more than someone earns why should they do it, and more importantly why should the rest of us pay for it?
Part of it is down to the fact that women 'want it all' these days and so society must pander to their demands... all in the name of 'equality' don't you know..?

Have to say I'm well p!ssed off listening to them banging on constantly about 'wanting it all'...

Parents generally need to realise it's simply not possible to 'have it all', that they're not 'entitled to it all' and that they have to make choices...
 
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Because women 'want it all' these days and so society must pander to their demands... all in the name of 'equality' don't you know...

Have to say I'm well p!ssed off listening to them banging on constantly about 'wanting it all'...

Women need to realise it's simply not possible to 'have it all', that they're not 'entitled to it all' and that they have to make choices...
What has this got to do with women? Parents come in both the male and the female form.
 

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Is it? Have we brought in legislation to prevent house prices from going out of control again?
Last I heard they were looking for a return to high house prices.
house prices are partially determined by what people are willing to pay. Sadly in ireland irish people are willing to pay over the odds for property.
 

nonpartyboy

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Is it? Have we brought in legislation to prevent house prices from going out of control again?
Last I heard they were looking for a return to high house prices.
Went for a mortgage recently, the banks are really only lending on the strength of the main earner and if you have children, they are factoring this in substantially, going forward couples will be able to afford their mortgage but will baulk at the childcare bill, where as now they have no option but to work even if they are only getting an extra €100 a week, it's putting the food on the table.
 
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house prices are partially determined by what people are willing to pay. Sadly in ireland irish people are willing to pay over the odds for property.
Hardly a surprise given the state of the rental market, the creeps that become landlords (you need a license to own a dog or a tv but not to be a landlord) and the protection afforded through legislation and enforcement.
 
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