Prince Charles : Prince Andrew : The British royal family

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Good enough for a one-act play that situation. Anyone got a number for Mr Shakespeare?
Can we have witches? It's midweek and I want at least 3 wirtches.
 


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We could set the play on Rosslare Strand. With sandwitches. We'd need witches anyway because of the equality regulations. Shakespeare is not allowed to write any plays any more with more male characters than female characters.

There's a quota, quotha.
 

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In 1066 the Frenchman William the Conqueror seized the English throne.

In 1688 the Dutchman William of Orange seized the English throne.

In 1714 the German George claimed the English throne.
 

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I love that the more "republican" one of us claims to be, the more they know the names of the royals next door.

I suspect the reason was their mammies read the news of the world...
 

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I love that the more "republican" one of us claims to be, the more they know the names of the royals next door.

I suspect the reason was their mammies read the news of the world...
You have to know your enemy! :cool:
 

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Perhaps its time a Royal Lost a Head .

Just think of the viewing figures World Wide .

I’m available for the Head Re-Moval .
 

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The essential imho was to have lots of Bling.

Now everyone has a gold ifone, it's not the same.
 

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The fact Her Majesty is not political, not elected is an advantage. A tangible focus for all in The UK to show loyalty to the state. She is the incarnate representation of The Crown - the equivalent of The US flag. Royalty offers the illusion (vital illusion) of national continuity and stability. The Queen has acted her role to a t and long may she continue to do so.

GSTQ
 

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The fact Her Majesty is not political, not elected is an advantage. A tangible focus for all in The UK to show loyalty to the state. She is the incarnate representation of The Crown - the equivalent of The US flag. Royalty offers the illusion (vital illusion) of national continuity and stability. The Queen has acted her role to a t and long may she continue to do so.

GSTQ
Not political? As one of the richest families in the world, you can be bloody sure she's political, as are all royals everywhere - they have their business interests to protect.

They may not be overtly party political, but that is another matter entirely.
 
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However, more to the point on the survival of a British/English monarchy might be their skeletons in the cupboard.

Mountbatten and his boys
Charlie and Jimmy Saville
Andrew and girls

I'd say there's more that we don't know about yet, and loads more again that we will never find out about.
 

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The fact Her Majesty is not political, not elected is an advantage. A tangible focus for all in The UK to show loyalty to the state. She is the incarnate representation of The Crown - the equivalent of The US flag. Royalty offers the illusion (vital illusion) of national continuity and stability. The Queen has acted her role to a t and long may she continue to do so.

GSTQ
When the current head of the UK steps down which member of the British royal family do you think would be a suitable replacment?
 

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Well between Irish industrial schools and Catholic orphanages, and Magdalene laundries , and the British Royal Family and British public schools and orphanages and care homes and the BBC and Jimmy Savile, it seems to me the entire system of govt and the social structure in the British Isles is based on rape.

It is a miracle any of us survived.
 

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However, more to the point on the survival of a British/English monarchy might be their skeletons in the cupboard.

Mountbatten and his boys
Charlie and Jimmy Saville
Andrew and girls

I'd say there's more that we don't know about yet, and loads more again that we will never find out about.
You're missing the point. The fact that Mountbatten liked young boys or an unemployable dolt like Prince Andrew cavorts with a vicious child abuser is irrelevant to most of the public as regards the status of the monarchy. The monarchy provides stability in a highly unstable political climate and it has long been thus. Under the hood, the British political system is a radical "crowned republic" where the House of Commons is sovereign and can make law unhindered by any other branch save the judiciary. Indeed, the removal of any executive power from the monarch only adds to the sense of a venerable neutral figure presiding over the nation for the greater good. The fact that this is mere fiction is unimportant, it is a fiction that almost everyone buys into. And this is all that matters.

Bagehot's the English Constitution is 152 years old but it is still the clearest text regarding the success of the modern British monarchy.

The use of the Queen, in a dignified capacity, is incalculable. Without her in England, the present English Government would fail and pass away. Most people when they read that the Queen walked on the slopes at Windsor—that the Prince of Wales went to the Derby—have imagined that too much thought and prominence were given to little things. But they have been in error; and it is nice to trace how the actions of a retired widow and an unemployed youth become of such importance.

The best reason why Monarchy is a strong government is, that it is an intelligible government. The mass of mankind understand it, and they hardly anywhere in the world understand any other. It is often said that men are ruled by their imaginations; but it would be truer to say they are governed by the weakness of their imaginations. The nature of a constitution, the action of an assembly, the play of parties, the unseen formation of a guiding opinion, are complex facts, difficult to know and easy to mistake. But the action of a single will, the fiat of a single mind, are easy ideas: anybody can make them out, and no one can ever forget them. When you put before the mass of mankind the question, “Will you be governed by a king, or will you be governed by a constitution?” the inquiry comes out thus—“Will you be governed in a way you understand, or will you be governed in a way you do not understand?”
 

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Queen Elizabeth II is the 32nd great granddaughter of Alfred the Great.
Heh. You'd be amazed how often in history such links are announced. Most men in Europe are descended from a Mongol warlord who reigned over a large part of the earth.

So we out-rank her :)
 

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Heh. You'd be amazed how often in history such links are announced. Most men in Europe are descended from a Mongol warlord who reigned over a large part of the earth.

So we out-rank her :)
True, but once again it's the narrative that counts. People feel that the monarchy is ancient and provides them a link to the distant past. An elected Head of State doesn't do this. It's particularly problematic for the UK as the country is made up of formerly independent nations that are bound by a common monarch. If you remove the monarchy and the history that goes with it, it removes most of the emotional foundations that bind Scotland, England and Wales together.
 

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When the current head of the UK steps down which member of the British royal family do you think would be a suitable replacment?
Thre is only one option - Charles and I see nothing wrong with him. He may not last long, but his son William seems good as well. The main thing for any monarch is to never do or say anything contrversial. Obviously the older they are the better. This probably should apply to the monarch's close family as well, but is much harder to control.
 

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Well between Irish industrial schools and Catholic orphanages, and Magdalene laundries , and the British Royal Family and British public schools and orphanages and care homes and the BBC and Jimmy Savile, it seems to me the entire system of govt and the social structure in the British Isles is based on rape.

It is a miracle any of us survived.

Another huge one in the six counties, will be big as victims are speaking up...….

 

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Another huge one in the six counties, will be big as victims are speaking up...….

Your link is from last May. I quote:
With victims demanding answers and justice, the Police Service of Northern Ireland has established a specialist investigation team.
Detective Superintendent Anne Marks said: "One of their responsibilities is to go back over the years to look and see is there anything there that maybe we didn't pick up on or that wasn't followed through, or is connected in any way to the reports that are coming through now."
I wonder if there has been an update since then?
 

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