Prince Charles : Prince Andrew : The British royal family

Glaucon

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Thre is only one option - Charles and I see nothing wrong with him. He may not last long, but his son William seems good as well. The main thing for any monarch is to never do or say anything contrversial. Obviously the older they are the better. This probably should apply to the monarch's close family as well, but is much harder to control.
Charles has plans (or so it is said) to reduce the size of the Royal household and he would be well advised to do this. A monarch must keep close control over those associated with him or her. The current Queen is insulated from dubious associations due to her extremely long reign and upstanding personal behaviour. Charles, however, will not be so lucky. He has been given an extremely raw deal from the British tabloid press due to his catastrophic first marriage and the likes of the Sun will be only too eager to bury him if they can. That said, he has the makings of a good modern King if he ever gets the chance.
 


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With great thanks to Mickeymac.

I see that the Impartial Reporter - Enniskillen's Unionist newspaper - has done a good job on this, and found abusers on both sides of the house.
Here's a particularly horrific description of abuse of young girls in an Orange lodge. Apparently it was reported to the police back in the 1990s, and shelved. Too close to the bone, I'd say; and it looks like a whole community was involved here, so many of the abusers would still be alive.

Then there was a school bus driver who disappeared back in 1999. I wonder if Superintendent Johnathan McIvor of Enniskillen RUC - who investigated the case at the time - was connected to any of the other cases. His body (the bus driver, not the superintendent) was eventually found buried in a bog a year later.

Then there was a catholic school principal who has also been accused of sexual abuse. This is particularly interesting for us on this side of the border because the perpretrator was chairman of the northern branch of the Irish National Teachers Organisation:
One woman told the Impartial Reporter that she was in primary four when the abuse started and that it continued for four years.
She said she "thought no one would believe me as he was a pillar of the community".
Mr McElholm was also the chairman of the Irish National Teachers Organisation and president of local St Vincent de Paul for a time, the Impartial Reporter reported.
Note the INTO and SVdeP. This particular star was also high up in Fermanagh GAA. He had all the bases covered - church, education and sport. An upstanding figure.
 
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A ‘false paternity event’, what a delicate way to put it, was discovered in the investigation of Richard III’s probable remains and may have affected the Windsors:


Such interventions aren’t necessarily all bad news, as Gulliver explained:

...a weak diseased body, a meagre countenance, and sallow complexion, are the true marks of noble blood; and a healthy robust appearance is so disgraceful in a man of quality, that the world concludes his real father to have been a groom or a coachman. The imperfections of his mind run parallel with those of his body, being a composition of spleen, dullness, ignorance, caprice, sensuality, and pride.
 

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The articles in Village magazine by Joseph de Burca are mind-boggling:

 

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A ‘false paternity event’, what a delicate way to put it, was discovered in the investigation of Richard III’s probable remains and may have affected the Windsors:


Such interventions aren’t necessarily all bad news, as Gulliver explained:
If true it raises serious questions about the House of Windsor's hereditary right to the throne, and indeed all the way back to the House of Tudor. However it does not necessarily affect their legal right to the throne under law, as the Act of Settlement 1701 governs the succession. And it doesnt call into question their right to the former Scottish throne.

One important point though. We don't know when the Beaufort bloodline (the children of John of Gaunt and descendents from them) was broken.It could have happened in the 18th century, as one of these Beaufort descendents tested is also not descended from the 18th century Duke of Beaufort mentioned in the article.
 
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This time next year Andrew will be a shaggy mess of loosely sewn deer and fox-skins living on a hillside in Perthshire. Prince Edward, who isn't seen much generally, may have to be pressurised into being much more public a figure.

They have to have a spare nearby in case Charles goes full daffodil.
 

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This time next year Andrew will be a shaggy mess of loosely sewn deer and fox-skins living on a hillside in Perthshire. Prince Edward, who isn't seen much generally, may have to be pressurised into being much more public a figure.

They have to have a spare nearby in case Charles goes full daffodil.
William is the spare now . You really need to brush up on your royal succession stuff. lol
 

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Depends on who is on the helicopter when it crashes, I suppose. Mind you, they are far more likely to lose Andrew and Charles now that they have the next generation secure.
 

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Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell will have to be extremely careful in tunnels or other situations where they may become ‘ very unlucky ‘ and dead .
 

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The fact Her Majesty is not political, not elected is an advantage. A tangible focus for all in The UK to show loyalty to the state. She is the incarnate representation of The Crown - the equivalent of The US flag. Royalty offers the illusion (vital illusion) of national continuity and stability. The Queen has acted her role to a t and long may she continue to do so.

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In Ireland, England's monarchy is seen as an evil presence - a reminder of all the evil England inflicted on the Irish people in the foreign crowns name.
 


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