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Private Media vs RTE: Turf War?


civilserpant

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There's a trend I've long noted and once posted about here:
http://www.politics.ie/forum/media/183851-newstalk-fianna-fail-reaction-rte-tweet.html

It's become more and more obvious over time - that is, the tendency to constantly impinge the integrity of RTE on as many issues as possible. The Kevin Reynolds debacle started it alongside the reaction to the Gallagher tweet story. To most genuinely non-biased observers, RTE made an honest mistake, and that’s about that, but because they're public sector, their mistakes get publically examined, reports published and they get dragged in front of Oireachtas committees and made apologise - possibly compromising their ability to defend a court action. They don't get the protections the likes of the indo, Times and others get when they mess up (so many libels to choose from...).

But the frenzy continues. The Jim Sheridan story was not, as reported, Pat Rabbitte slams Sheridan, it was a kick RTE story. The article is here: RTE probe after 'deplorable' tweet attack on senator - National News - Independent.ie. Basically, in the opening line it says:

COMMUNICATIONS Minister Pat Rabbitte has described a series of offensive tweets posted about Senator Ronan Mullen as "deplorable" and "offensive".
So Rabbitte describe 'a series of tweets' as deplorable and offensive. And they were. I'm no Mullen fan, but it got very, very nasty. But, that isn't the story...

The tweets, many of which were written by musical director of 'The Late Late Show', Jim Sheridan, contained words and images mocking Mr Mullen.
Now, to the reader, the subtle implication, and the story that hit twitter is Rabbitte savages RTE producer. As you can see, he did no such thing. He criticised a series of tweets. Sheridan replied to a jokey Christ allegory, made his own one ("He'd be back in three days ... But we could have at least one great weekend without him appearing on TV or radio.") and that would have been that.

Instead, other posters went to town and the thread became really ugly. Sheridan only posted twice more in it, both times to asked he be removed from such nastiness and basically telling them to cop on. But the Indo spun it into Comms Minister lashes RTE for staffs behaviour.

But last night, Mr Rabbitte described the tweets as "dreadful and offensive" and said he could not see any humour in them. "I deplore this kind of communication from any source," he added.
Still talking about the thread of tweets, not Sheridan. But here is the kicker....

Mr Mullen said it was of concern that "such virulent nastiness" would come from someone within RTE.
David Quinn tweeted it as:
RTE probe after 'deplorable' tweet attack on Ronan Mullen... Notably no tweets from anyone at RTE attacking pro-choicers
The 'probe' was the title of the article, but what RTE were actually quoted as saying was...
A spokesperson for RTE said: "We are discussing the tweets with him in relation to our social media guidelines."
. Is this now a probe? A company talking to its employee after an issue is raised is a 'probe'? Quinn has a tendency to play the RTE card anytime he's slated, an RTE freelancer Pat O'Mahony apologised in Dec 2012 for hot tempered comments he made about Quinn, but Quinn made a lot of the RTE connection - somehow forgetting Iona colleagues were practically camping in the RTE canteen for weeks around the Savita story.

For years now RTE have been lambasted for being in hock to parties, be it too soft on FF (Tubridy/Joe Duffy's Bertie Ahern lov.. erm... Liveline), too harsh on FF (George Lee joining FG erupted that nest), being too soft/hard on SF (Adams/McGuinness) or now, giving Labour a soft ride.

Right wingers constantly bemoan it for having a 'left wing Liberal agenda', and left wingers bemoan it for not exposing the truth, as they see it, from their side (say, not identifying contributors as Iona Institute members).

What’s not in question is that after a few mistakes, RTE is being critically mauled by the private press with an un reserved glee. Newstalk are the main culprits. One wonders the reasons why?

Part of it is no doubt attacking a competitor for their failings, and RTE has been seen as holier than thou, it is 'relatively' sheltered from the advertising & subscription crisis now facing other media. It's a smaller pie and RTE have a lot of it.

Some of it is jealousy, both corporate and journalistic, of the t&c's RTE's employee's enjoy. It is probably still considered the pinnacle of a career in journalism to work with RTE, with few figures in the country having the standing of seasoned journalists like O'Callaghan, Bowman, Davin-Power and co enjoying a credibility few in print or commentary can enjoy.

Some of it is thinking RTE simply trying to get more sympathy for a position, by claiming bias by the giant in the room.

But what's not in question is that every micro-episode that someone connected with RTE is involved in, is being used as a vehicle to chip away at RTE's credibility. Maybe it's time RTE stuck back and began reporting on the dificulties of other media groups.
 
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What i like about Newstalk is the fact that they give people with jobs and wealth additional lucrative jobs.

George Hook - Columnist, TV Sports Pundit, Author, The right hook, Georges's Saturday Sit in, NT VOs, Multimillionaire?
Nora casey, Dragon, Publisher, Breakfast Presenter, Multimillionaire
Bobby Kerr, Dragon, Insomnia Chairman, Multimillionaire, Down to business,
Ivan Yates, Celtic book makers, TD pension, Ministerial pension, On sabbatical for bankruptcy
Tom Dunne, Musician, Tv presenter, Radio Presenter, NT VOs
Fionn Davenport Travel Writer, Travel Contributer to george, Presenter of Davenport after Dark

Then there are the relief staff
David Norris
Fergus Finlay

Former Staff include
Eamon 4 jobs Dunphy
David 5 jobs McWilliams

We have no idea of celebrity in this country - at least in the UK they put pretty people in your face - here we just put well connected folk...

Its ridiculous
 

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What i like about Newstalk is the fact that they give people with jobs and wealth additional lucrative jobs.

George Hook - Columnist, TV Sports Pundit, Author, The right hook, Georges's Saturday Sit in, NT VOs, Multimillionaire?
Nora casey, Dragon, Publisher, Breakfast Presenter, Multimillionaire
Bobby Kerr, Dragon, Insomnia Chairman, Multimillionaire, Down to business,
Ivan Yates, Celtic book makers, TD pension, Ministerial pension, On sabbatical for bankruptcy
Tom Dunne, Musician, Tv presenter, Radio Presenter, NT VOs
Fionn Davenport Travel Writer, Travel Contributer to george, Presenter of Davenport after Dark

Then there are the relief staff
David Norris
Fergus Finlay

Former Staff include
Eamon 4 jobs Dunphy
David 5 jobs McWilliams

We have no idea of celebrity in this country - at least in the UK they put pretty people in your face - here we just put well connected folk...

Its ridiculous
That's alright. You don't have to pay for it it you don't like it. You can opt out of paying people like the above.

Noisetalk don't threaten to put you in jail for a month if you don't pay a stupid compulsory levy.

You are free to choose.
 

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While I agree with the OP, I think part of RTÉ's public service remit is to take criticism of it more seriously, and to report and discuss criticism of it better, more fully and more fairly.

For what it's worth, I think any accusation against RTÉ of having an anti-church or anti-FF agenda are utter claptrap. Nothing could be further from the case.
 

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RTE deserves everything it gets, it is a third rate operator, with overpaid presenters. It is a national joke, look at Pat Kenny last night, on B/S line, with Rabbite. On behalf of the public, kenny had an oppertunity to tackle the Minister on a number of questions, in relation to Rabbite's recent utterings. Kenny gave him a free ride. While this type of thing continues, RTE has only itself to blame.
 

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Sell Pravda/RTE. End the stupid compulsory levy racket of extorting money from working families. Give the people their money back.

Enough of this priveleged quango and the Montrose Millionaires. It has descended into an abuse of the people's money.

We want to have a choice in respect of the montrose quango, and the stupid Pravda levy.

Let those who like Pravda/RTE make a donation.

And let those that want to spend the money on groceries opt out.

It is a matter of free choice.
 

crossman

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Sell Pravda/RTE. End the stupid compulsory levy racket of extorting money from working families. Give the people their money back.

Enough of this priveleged quango and the Montrose Millionaires. It has descended into an abuse of the people's money.

We want to have a choice in respect of the montrose quango, and the stupid Pravda levy.

Let those who like Pravda/RTE make a donation.

And let those that want to spend the money on groceries opt out.

It is a matter of free choice.
What a load of rubbish. I have no connection with RTE but, without it, we would be left with just TV3. Some of the presenters are overpaid but otherwise it provides programming of a quality the other stations cannot match (I make an exception for "Off the Ball" on Newstalk).
 

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What a load of rubbish. I have no connection with RTE but, without it, we would be left with just TV3. Some of the presenters are overpaid but otherwise it provides programming of a quality the other stations cannot match (I make an exception for "Off the Ball" on Newstalk).
Your argument completely ignores the distortional effect of the Pravda levy on the rest of the media sector.

TV3's Tonight with Vincent Browne is probably the only current affairs program that consistently demands the answers to the questions that people want answered. It survives based on merit, with the free consent of the viewing people, and not based on the needs of the regime to pretend that there is objectivity.

Rabbitte's soft treatment last night indicates the real standard on Pravda/RTE.
 

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Your argument completely ignores the distortional effect of the Pravda levy on the rest of the media sector.

TV3's Tonight with Vincent Browne is probably the only current affairs program that consistently demands the answers to the questions that people want answered. It survives based on merit, with the free consent of the viewing people, and not based on the needs of the regime to pretend that there is objectivity.

Rabbitte's soft treatment last night indicates the real standard on Pravda/RTE.
If you think V. Browne's showbiz approach to current affairs is worthwhile, then I see no point in continuing to discuss this matter.
 

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While I agree with the OP, I think part of RTÉ's public service remit is to take criticism of it more seriously, and to report and discuss criticism of it better, more fully and more fairly.

For what it's worth, I think any accusation against RTÉ of having an anti-church or anti-FF agenda are utter claptrap. Nothing could be further from the case.
You are truly truly blind.

For years RTE have promoted an attitude hostile to traditional catholic teaching in the area of sexual morality.

It has done this

a] by ensuring that issues of this kind where they are discussed are only covered by church spokespersons who in the vast majority of cases disagreed with their own church. [This is particularly noticeable in the area of priestly celibacy/women priests with the usual predictable group of disgruntled priests and theologians wheeled out]

b] Giving undue prominence to persons and minority organisations holding viewpoints deeply hostile to catholic church teaching such as the pro abortion,pro divorce and especially the gay/lesbian groups.


On the political front RTE have for years selected numbers of Labour party spokespersons completely out of proportion to their numerical electoral base. This can only be deliberate and reflects the strong left wing ideology that permeates the organisation.
 
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What a load of rubbish. I have no connection with RTE but, without it, we would be left with just TV3. Some of the presenters are overpaid but otherwise it provides programming of a quality the other stations cannot match (I make an exception for "Off the Ball" on Newstalk).
I agree we need a public broadcaster, but RTE in its current format is a complete joke. I'd question how much "quality programming" they make...most of it is utter tripe imo. I don't even watch their sports coverage anymore unless I can't get it anywhere else. Their presenters and commentators are terrible, so the GAA is about the only thing I watch on it..I can't take their coverage of rugby..if there is any other option I'll take it. I don;t really follow soccer, but Giles , Dunphy etc...no thanks.

RTE2 HD is also not very HD for the most part...just seems to be upscaled SD and is nowhere the HD BBC provide...even for similar shows...ie the 6 Nations coverage on BBC HD has a far superior picture to RTE ever deliver on the same game.

It should be slimmed down to one channel imo and similarly one radio channel.. RTE2 is a waste of bandwidth imo ....most people have Sky, UPC or free to air at this stage and there is loads of radio stations out there...we don't need a channel showing american shows and paying handsomely for it...and 2FM ain't much better

It needs to be restructured badly.
 

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Sell Pravda/RTE. End the stupid compulsory levy racket of extorting money from working families. Give the people their money back.

Enough of this priveleged quango and the Montrose Millionaires. It has descended into an abuse of the people's money.

We want to have a choice in respect of the montrose quango, and the stupid Pravda levy.

Let those who like Pravda/RTE make a donation.

And let those that want to spend the money on groceries opt out.

It is a matter of free choice.
There's no way I'd pay a TV licence but i would pay a few quid for RTE Radio if I had too.
 

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I gave in on RTE/Pravda a long time ago. It has utterly failed the public in this country.
 

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Interestingly a journalist finally explored this at lunchtime.

Minister Pat Rabbitte clarifies his remarks about Jim Sheridan’s “offensive” tweets | colettebrowne

Curious about whether the Minister had actually seen the tweets and, if so, which ones he found so objectionable, I contacted his office yesterday for clarification and received this response:

“I personally told the Irish Independent that I would not comment on any tweet I had not seen but that ‘I would deplore the use of offensive material from whatever source’ – which was by way of a reply to questioning about the place of employment of the person who posted the tweet.”

So, while Twitter has been in convulsions about the remarks of the Minister, it appears, from his statement to me, that his comments were of a general nature – as in, if offensive tweets had been sent then he would condemn them.
So Rabbitte is basically saying The Indo's line of questioning was about the RTE status of one poster. Colette Brown nails it with her final sentance.

Ultimately, it appears that this story was news, not because of the content of the tweets, but because of the employer of the tweeter.
 

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Sell Pravda/RTE. End the stupid compulsory levy racket of extorting money from working families. Give the people their money back.

Enough of this priveleged quango and the Montrose Millionaires. It has descended into an abuse of the people's money.

We want to have a choice in respect of the montrose quango, and the stupid Pravda levy.

Let those who like Pravda/RTE make a donation.

And let those that want to spend the money on groceries opt out.

It is a matter of free choice.
I agree but RTE won't go down without a fight. They believe they've been given the duty by divine right to set the opinion of the country and they're not going to let that slip after so many decades without opposition.
 
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Whatever argument there once was for a public broadcaster it have been overtaken by events and technology and whatever a public broadcaster is RTE never was.

Whenever we discuss it people claim TV3 would be the alternative but that's a bit like British people who objected to the idea of an elected president in case Richard Branson was elected. Look at all the talent that would be freed up if RTE was abolished. New companies would find ways of deploying that talent effectively.

The public interest requires diversity of ownership. That can be achieved by legislation.
 

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If you think V. Browne's showbiz approach to current affairs is worthwhile, then I see no point in continuing to discuss this matter.
I disagree that it is a "show biz approach". I think Vinny's commitment to asking the questions (that are avoided by the so called public broadcaster) is something to be commended. And he does not need a complusory levy to make it worthwhile.

The people, making their own choice is sufficient.
 

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RTE does not run itself like a proper public service broadcaster, which is the major problem. If they did, I would argue that they would be a valuable contributor to irish society.
 

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RTE does not run itself like a proper public service broadcaster, which is the major problem.
It pretends that it does, so as to justify it's access to a priveleged levy on the people. As long as the privelege for this expensive quango continues, the abuse of the privelege will continue.
 

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It pretends that it does, so as to justify it's access to a priveleged levy on the people. As long as the privelege for this expensive quango continues, the abuse of the privelege will continue.
They have the best of both worlds at RTE. If they're going to take commercial adverts, then why are they demanding money from people with a threat of being thrown in jail?
 

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