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Private schools have up to seven times more funds available to them compared to schools in the state sector


Dadaist

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Private schools have up to seven times more funds available to them compared to schools in the state sector

It has come to light following findings from the McCarthy report, that students in fee-paying schools are allocated, on average €5,281 in spend on additional teachers, capital improvements and extra-curricular activities, per student.

The average grant per student in non-fee-paying schools is €507 annually. The difference in average payment rises to ten times as high if you compare the funding of the top the nine most expensive fee-paying schools.

If fee-paying schools are that much more expensive to run, then maybe in these austere times, these schools should be forced to reassess their budgets. Irish private schools have quite low fees in comparison to other countries. Take on top of that the fact that it is quite unusual for a state to pay the salaries of teachers of private schools.

As Mrs Antoinette once wasn't recorded as saying 'Let them eat cake'.


Fee-paying pupils have seven times more funds - The Irish Times - Tue, Mar 05, 2013
 

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Just wondering...but how much of this is money spent on academic objectives....and how much is money spent on better facilities for "bread and circuses" ?

We are living the aftermath of the era of a Taoiseach who said his only regret was not being able to waste a billion euro on a colloseum complex.
 

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It's not clear from your OP, but the extra funding the fee-paying schools have is the fees paid by parents.
 

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And no doubt the usual suspects will be along shortly to claim vociferously that the taxation is subsidising private schools - there is a thread somewhere on p.ie that thrashes out all the old arguments.
There's probably a thread on any issue you can think of that thrashes out all the old arguments ad nauseum...

So the real question is... why are we here banging our heads off virtual walls?
 

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And no doubt the usual suspects will be along shortly to claim vociferously that the taxation is subsidising private schools - there is a thread somewhere on p.ie that thrashes out all the old arguments.
As it should - Tax is there to provide aggregated services for TAXPAYERS. So the more tax you pay the more your school should get.
But for equality purposes lets agree that everyone should get the same payback in terms of services from the tax system.
So if the tax payer wants to augment his schools funds with donations or fees then so be it.

We need to get away from the idea the tax system is a charity - if it where you could claim your Tax back.
 

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There's probably a thread on any issue you can think of that thrashes out all the old arguments ad nauseum...

So the real question is... why are we here banging our heads off virtual walls?
In the futile hope, that someone, somewhere, will be persuaded by a well reasoned argument to abandon their dearly held, but myopic view:confused:
 

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As it should - Tax is there to provide aggregated services for TAXPAYERS. So the more tax you pay the more your school should get.
But for equality purposes lets agree that everyone should get the same payback in terms of services from the tax system.
So if the tax payer wants to augment his schools funds with donations or fees then so be it.

We need to get away from the idea the tax system is a charity - if it where you could claim your Tax back.
There is also a moral question as to whether low and medium paid workers in negative equity or blowing their pay on rent etc. should be funding welfare recipients living in better conditions than those who work and fund welfare...

Personally I'm opposed to any welfare recipients living in better conditions than those who fund it... but then maybe that's just me...
 

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You don't understand taxation, do you?
I do. Taxation is to pay State aggregated services onbehalf of the tax payer.
You can argue about the meritocracy of how that gets distributed - but i have conceeded that it should be equal.
 

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That's correct. The state heavily subsidises private schools. It pays their teachers, for goodness sake.

No, the state provides teachers to educate all children. Some parents then decide to pay additional fees to provide additional facilities over and above what the state provides.
 

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In the futile hope, that someone, somwhere, will be persuaded by a well reasoned argument to abandon their dearly held, but myopic view:confused:
I suspect that's a futile hope most if not all of the time...

Perhaps we're all sick? (and I don't mean that in the good sense of the word) as in Dench...
 

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There is also a moral question as to whether low and medium paid workers in negative equity or blowing their pay on rent etc. should be funding welfare recipients living in better conditions than those who work...

Personally I'm opposed to any welfare recipients living in better conditions than those who fund it... but then maybe that's just me...
no that is actually the fundamental core of both socialism and capitalism - Idle people do not profit. Industrious people do.

We have gombeenism.
 

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Bad thread title; private schools have up to seven times the resources for extracurricular activities.

Still, shocking enough, considering they're all heavily subsidised.
And for capital spending ie funding.
 

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It's not clear from your OP, but the extra funding the fee-paying schools have is the fees paid by parents.
It's not clear to me from the article in the IT either, but it is clear from other sources that the taxpayer-subvention per pupil is vastly higher in fee-paying schools. The principal of one private school has valued the total subvention at over €20,000 per pupil, per year.

This doesn't count the unknown amount of taxpayer subsidy through tax-deductible 'donations' instead of fees to the schools themselves which have managed to wangle charitable status, or to associated charities that don't publish their accounts.
 

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No, the state provides teachers to educate all children. Some parents then decide to pay additional fees to provide additional facilities over and above what the state provides.
Parents spend money on kids. Shock.
They should spend it on drink and fags and pyjamas instead.
 
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My experience is that the quality of extra carricular activities in any schools tend to be a bit ropey. If anyone is serious about any activity like music, the last place they should do them is in school. The same with most sports, its much better to learn swimming or play soccer outside of school.
 
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