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Pro-secularism public meetings: Indian blasphemy law victim to speak in Dublin, Cork, Galway, Belfast


Michael Nugent

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Pro-secularism public meetings: Indian blasphemy law victim to speak in Dublin, Cork, Galway, Belfast

Why should a respected Indian author be facing jail for exposing a crying Catholic statue as being caused by faulty plumbing? This week Sanal Edamaruku, the victim of this unjust law, visits Ireland for a speaking tour.

Atheist Ireland is hosting four public meetings, in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Belfast, to promote separation of church and state in Ireland and internationally. We will also be holding a briefing session for TDs and Senators in Leinster House.

Dates and Venues for Public Meetings

Indian author Sanal Edamaruku is facing blasphemy charges in India, instigated by the Catholic Church, for exposing a crying Catholic statue as being caused by faulty plumbing and capillary action.

Sanal is President of the Indian Rationalist Association and Rationalist International, and he has written 25 books.

A tantrik guru once tried and failed to kill Sanal, using only magic, on a live television show, after Sanal challenged his supposed powers. See YouTube video of this here.

Michael Nugent and Jane Donnelly of Atheist Ireland will speak on the need for a secular constitution, laws, government, courts, education system and healthcare system, both in Ireland and internationally.

In Ireland an atheist cannot be President or a judge, the Catholic church runs 90% of our primary schools, hospitals make life and death healthcare decisions based on religious ethics, churches are formally exempted from complying with tax and equality laws, and we have recently passed an internationally controversial blasphemy law.

At the United Nations, Islamic states have cited Ireland’s blasphemy law to support their own blasphemy laws. Victims include Christians like Asia Bibi in Pakistan, Muslims like Hamza Kashgari in Saudi Arabia, and atheists like Alexander Aan in Indonesia. Victims have been attacked, jailed and sentenced to execution.

Ireland must act now to separate church and state. At home, we must provide an ethical, secular country based on democracy, human rights, freedom of belief and conscience, and civil liberty. And internationally, we must promote the same values, backed up by acting consistently in our own country.
 

Michael Nugent

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Sanal Edamaruku invites you to hear him speak in Ireland

[video=youtube_share;leag6M65_6g]http://youtu.be/leag6M65_6g[/video]

Sanal Edamaruku meets Irish politicians

[video=youtube_share;FJbYzvv5nXw]http://youtu.be/FJbYzvv5nXw[/video]
 

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Sanal Edamaruku meets Irish politicians
yeah right , Ivana Bacik is a politician now ? , she has never once been elected , she's a libertarian freak show and the Irish people know that , thats why they wont vote for her. She'd be better of moving to Poland or wherever the family originated from.
 
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yeah right , Ivana Bacik is a politician now ? , she has never once been elected , she's a libertarian freak show and the Irish people know that , thats why they wont vote for her. She'd be better of moving to Poland or wherever the family originated from.
ElectionsIreland.org: Ivana Bacik

Also you clearly don't understand the word I have bolded.

The Baciks are of Czech descent by the way.
 

Michael Nugent

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Extract from Sanal Edamaruku's talk yesterday in Dublin. Next public meeting is 3 pm today, Sunday, in Metropole Hotel in Cork. All welcome.

[video=youtube;Cu4MZlnNCa8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4MZlnNCa8[/video]
 

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Why should a respected Indian author be facing jail for exposing a crying Catholic statue as being caused by faulty plumbing? This week Sanal Edamaruku, the victim of this unjust law, visits Ireland for a speaking tour.

Atheist Ireland is hosting four public meetings, in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Belfast, to promote separation of church and state in Ireland and internationally. We will also be holding a briefing session for TDs and Senators in Leinster House.

Dates and Venues for Public Meetings

Indian author Sanal Edamaruku is facing blasphemy charges in India, instigated by the Catholic Church, for exposing a crying Catholic statue as being caused by faulty plumbing and capillary action.

Sanal is President of the Indian Rationalist Association and Rationalist International, and he has written 25 books.

A tantrik guru once tried and failed to kill Sanal, using only magic, on a live television show, after Sanal challenged his supposed powers. See YouTube video of this here.

Michael Nugent and Jane Donnelly of Atheist Ireland will speak on the need for a secular constitution, laws, government, courts, education system and healthcare system, both in Ireland and internationally.

In Ireland an atheist cannot be President or a judge, the Catholic church runs 90% of our primary schools, hospitals make life and death healthcare decisions based on religious ethics, churches are formally exempted from complying with tax and equality laws, and we have recently passed an internationally controversial blasphemy law.

At the United Nations, Islamic states have cited Ireland’s blasphemy law to support their own blasphemy laws. Victims include Christians like Asia Bibi in Pakistan, Muslims like Hamza Kashgari in Saudi Arabia, and atheists like Alexander Aan in Indonesia. Victims have been attacked, jailed and sentenced to execution.

Ireland must act now to separate church and state. At home, we must provide an ethical, secular country based on democracy, human rights, freedom of belief and conscience, and civil liberty. And internationally, we must promote the same values, backed up by acting consistently in our own country.
I remember reading about this incident in New Scientist. It is illuminating how the catholic church went after him for exposing there lies and having parishioners drinking sewage from the statue.

The blasphemy law in Ireland is a disgrace and should be removed from the statute books.
 

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Ironic that the very people in Ireland who hate the thoughts of another monolithic abrahamic cult being introduced into the galileaen airs of Ireland should be the ones handing muslim fanatics internationally a precedent in introducing blasphemy laws.

I've just pointed out on this year's Angelus thread that RTEs holy bongings of an evening are a clear invitation for a case for the muslim prayer to be heard on TV and radio in Ireland with a test case for equal airtime - and as other posters here have pointed out the idiots in Ireland with their blasphemy legislation led by Mullah Ahern have given inadvertant support to blasphemy law attempts by extremist muslims in the international arena.

To summarise- there is actually something in a strictly secular state for even religious catholics in Ireland unless they want to concede at some point the Muezzin and call to prayer plus blasphemy laws to protect the Koran to creep in in Ireland.

This is one of the few areas in Irish politics were the loon squad for Jesus O'Reilly and those who want a secular state should have common cause.

I know the Jesus O'Reilly squad are never the brightest in Ireland and the temptation is to await their screams of horror when they realise that the thin little advantage corners of the catholic state are a lever for others to exploit the same arguments they use- but in truth there are many reasons for a state with at least a nominal pretence at democracy and the republic to be secular and to push religious nonsense back behind the fence where it should be- as a private and personal matter for the individual citizen and not some public tennis match played between two eejits with holes in their intellectual racquets.

Thanks to Michael Nugent and Ms Donnelly for their intelligent pursuit in the face of great ignorance in Ireland of the only sensible solution for the state in the 21st century on these matters.
 
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Why should a respected Indian author be facing jail for exposing a crying Catholic statue as being caused by faulty plumbing? This week Sanal Edamaruku, the victim of this unjust law, visits Ireland for a speaking tour.

Atheist Ireland is hosting four public meetings, in Dublin, Cork, Galway and Belfast, to promote separation of church and state in Ireland and internationally. We will also be holding a briefing session for TDs and Senators in Leinster House.

Dates and Venues for Public Meetings

Indian author Sanal Edamaruku is facing blasphemy charges in India, instigated by the Catholic Church, for exposing a crying Catholic statue as being caused by faulty plumbing and capillary action.

Sanal is President of the Indian Rationalist Association and Rationalist International, and he has written 25 books.

A tantrik guru once tried and failed to kill Sanal, using only magic, on a live television show, after Sanal challenged his supposed powers. See YouTube video of this here.

Michael Nugent and Jane Donnelly of Atheist Ireland will speak on the need for a secular constitution, laws, government, courts, education system and healthcare system, both in Ireland and internationally.

In Ireland an atheist cannot be President or a judge, the Catholic church runs 90% of our primary schools, hospitals make life and death healthcare decisions based on religious ethics, churches are formally exempted from complying with tax and equality laws, and we have recently passed an internationally controversial blasphemy law.

At the United Nations, Islamic states have cited Ireland’s blasphemy law to support their own blasphemy laws. Victims include Christians like Asia Bibi in Pakistan, Muslims like Hamza Kashgari in Saudi Arabia, and atheists like Alexander Aan in Indonesia. Victims have been attacked, jailed and sentenced to execution.

Ireland must act now to separate church and state. At home, we must provide an ethical, secular country based on democracy, human rights, freedom of belief and conscience, and civil liberty. And internationally, we must promote the same values, backed up by acting consistently in our own country.
I agree with your sentiments, but the bolded bit is a lie.
 

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Can an atheist refuse to take an oath on a bible in being sworn in as a judge or as president?

If not then an atheist must be expected to lie to take office? If there is an affirmation process without religious paraphernalia then the statement is a lie. If there is no such arrangement then the statement about atheists not being able to serve as a judge or president is true.

Why should atheists be expected to lie as their very first act as an appointee to the benches or the presidency? And in what way does it serve the nation to have an appointee blatantly begin their period of office with a misleading oath?
 

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You would have thought Sanal would have dressed up for the occasion. Hope he get life. Whats it his business what another religion believes or not. Another Richard Dawkins wannabe.
 

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Can an atheist refuse to take an oath on a bible in being sworn in as a judge or as president?

If not then an atheist must be expected to lie to take office? If there is an affirmation process without religious paraphernalia then the statement is a lie. If there is no such arrangement then the statement about atheists not being able to serve as a judge or president is true.

Why should atheists be expected to lie as their very first act as an appointee to the benches or the presidency? And in what way does it serve the nation to have an appointee blatantly begin their period of office with a misleading oath?
For some oaths in this country, one can swear on the Bible or Affirm on the Constitution. The latter makes more sense for public office.
 

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Indeed swearing an oath involving a hereafter would seem to be misleading in and of itself.

As Nemesis says swearing to uphold the constitution should be a matter of confining praise or condemnation/resignation for failing to do so in this life and should not be a matter for any putative higher court which may or may not exist.

In that way swearing on a bible or by reference to whatever deity would appear to be certainly evasive from the start in terms of governance where it is most relevant- in this life.
 

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Yeah, the oath mentions God but an atheist could just say that part without meaning it.
Are you recommending that atheists adopt the catholic trick of lying where appropriate? 'Mental reservation'?
 

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Yeah, the oath mentions God but an atheist could just say that part without meaning it.
God has nothing to do with fulfilling public duties and is thus is irrelevant for those who need to take an oath. We should not be forced to say it as under article 44.2.2 we have a right not to have religion endowed on us by the State. Having to take an oath for Public office which mentions God, goes against that article.
 
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