Proficiency of Black Students Is Found to Be Far Lower Than Expected

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An achievement gap separating black from white students has long been documented — a social divide extremely vexing to policy makers and the target of one blast of school reform after another.
But a new report focusing on black males suggests that the picture is even bleaker than generally known.
Only 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, and only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.
Poverty alone does not seem to explain the differences: poor white boys do just as well as African-American boys who do not live in poverty...

“There’s accumulating evidence that there are racial differences in what kids experience before the first day of kindergarten,” said Ronald Ferguson, director of the Achievement Gap Initiative at Harvard. “They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have.”
Those include “conversations about early childhood parenting practices,” Dr. Ferguson said. “The activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/09/education/09gap.html
A thorny subject which begs the question why, given this latest confirmation of the "gap", whether Ireland & Europes political establishment were expecting different results through import of African nationals? Also, since the political establishment has wished these folk onto Ireland, what do they intend to do to prevent a similar "gap" emerging here?
 


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Good threads are sent to "off topic" which racist threads like this are welcomed on p.ie No wonder p.ie is getting the reputation of being a fascist site.
 

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What have the sociological and historical factors experienced by a group in the United States and identified by this report as affecting their educational achievements got to do with African nationals?
 
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What have the sociological and historical factors experienced by a group in the United States and identified by this report as affecting their educational achievements got to do with African nationals?
Absolutely nothing - but it does tend to suggest that the OP and the rest of the world are separated by a considerable "proficiency gap"
 

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A thorny subject which begs the question why
Begs the question why you post an article when don't even understand what you're talking about. From the article you cite;

“They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have.”

Those include “conversations about early childhood parenting practices,” Dr. Ferguson said. “The activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy.”
Now it seems maybe you're a bit slow yourself so I'll keep this simple. The sociological and historical forces that apply to people who were kept as livestock in the USA for 400 years are not at all the same as those which apply to Africans. Indeed the sociological and historical forces which apply to Africans are not all one thing either and so you will find people on that continent have different childrearing methods.
 
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Begs the question why you post an article when don't even understand what you're talking about. From the article you cite;



Now it seems maybe you're a bit slow yourself so I'll keep this simple. The sociological and historical forces that apply to people who were kept as livestock in the USA for 400 years are not at all the same as those which apply to Africans. Indeed the sociological and historical forces which apply to Africans are not all one thing either and so you will find people on that continent have different childrearing methods.
What you might call "a thick fukker":)
 

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godawful idea for a thread.
 

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it's because they are too busy gang banging.

it's in their jea... genes don't you know.
 

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Take "sociological and historical forces" and replace it with something to do with eugenics from the Nazi era and I think the path the OP wants to go down would be more apparent.
 

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The sad thing is that the OP has probably completed his Leaving Cert and may indeed have a third level qualification and is yet so wonderfully ignorant. It's almost breathtaking.
 

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godawful idea for a thread.
Just look through the zoo and chat, "NI" or Gaeilge, and you will see lots of excellent threads - all deemed "off topic." But, put some racist, fascist ignorance, and you will be welcomed with open armed by the p.ie mods and admin.
 

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If this should be anywhere surely it should be under education?

I've PM'd David on the need for a sticky on this. I respect free speech, but find it extremely offensive that such blatantly racist threads are permitted. Its the responsibility for each member to raise this as an issue with mods or the forum will lose it's popularity. I've noticed other forums are very intolerant of such behaviour.
 

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If this should be anywhere surely it should be under education?
Should it be there as an example of the gibbering idiocy that education may help one to avoid?
 

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Should it be there as an example of the gibbering idiocy that education may help one to avoid?
No, because day in day out we are getting these racist threads on p.ie and they are being welcomed and facilitated by the site management. I wouldnt make any excuse for having them.
 

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No, because day in day out we are getting these racist threads on p.ie and they are being welcomed and facilitated by the site management. I wouldnt make any excuse for having them.
In what way are they being 'welcomed'?

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In what way are they being 'welcomed'?
They are being given space on the main page, while threads in our national language are banned off it (a racist act in itself), along with many other interesting and educational threads. I dont think its a coincidence that the admin only selects right wing extremists to be mods.
 

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Good threads are sent to "off topic" which racist threads like this are welcomed on p.ie No wonder p.ie is getting the reputation of being a fascist site.
In what way is the thread racist?
The OP quotes surveys reported in the new york times and another publication.

Where is the racism?
 

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The sad thing is that the OP has probably completed his Leaving Cert and may indeed have a third level qualification and is yet so wonderfully ignorant. It's almost breathtaking.
Where is the ignorance.
The OP gives sources and merely repeats a headline from the NYT.

He then expresses a concern to avoid similiar situations arising here.

All very reasonable I would have thought.
 

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