Proposal: Private prisons to end revolving-door?

Dame_Enda

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Should the government allow private prisons (as in the UK, France and US) to end the revolving door system?

It would mean that those who are not being incarcerated because of a lack of prison space could be kept in a private prison instead.

In the UK, the Criminal Justice Act 1991 introduced private prisons (the first being Wold Prison), allowing the Home Secretary to contract out inprisonment of criminals to the private sector. HM Prison Berwyn near Wrexham opened last year. Also the following asylum removal centres are privately run: Harmondsworth Immigration Removal Centre, Yarl's Wood Immigration Removal Centre, and Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre.

Examples of overcrowding/lack of spare beds in Irish public prisons (December 2017 - last column):

- Mountjoy Campus (for women): 116% of bed capacity.
- Limerick prison (men/women): 110/113% of "Inspector of Prisons Bed Capacity"
- Arbour Hill prison: 104% of bed capacity.
 


Karloff

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For people who rack up more than a certain number of convictions yes. Different route through the prison system needed.

I wonder what Yanks think when visiting Ireland and they pick up a paper and read about so and so who has 300 convictions arrested for number 301?
 

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No way. This creates an incentive to bribe politicians to criminalize as many forms of behavior as possible.
 

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Treating Prisoners With Dignity Can Reduce Crime

In Europe, prisoners work for real wages and even cook for themselves. And when they leave prison, they don't come back.

It sounds like the first line of a joke: "Three state corrections teams and some experts who are old hands at visiting prisons go to meet their warden counterparts in Germany and the Netherlands in mid-January to see what they could learn."

But it's a true story — and what high-level delegations from Colorado, Georgia, and Pennsylvania learned through the Vera Institute of Justice's European-American Prison Project is no laughing matter. What we learned, in fact, has serious and timely boots-on-the-ground implications.
 

gleeful

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No. Private prisons are not cheaper to run. They are just legalised corruption.
 

Jack Walsh

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Yet another repulsive brain fart dredged off the scutter that is produce off alt right websites


Private prisons will never be accepted even as a concept in Ireland by any political party

btw
We had private prisons in Ireland for decades
Reformatories, orphanages and laundries
Remind us how that all worked out
 

Dame_Enda

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Yet another repulsive brain fart dredged off the scutter that is produce off alt right websites


Private prisons will never be accepted even as a concept in Ireland by any political party

btw
We had private prisons in Ireland for decades
Reformatories, orphanages and laundries
Remind us how that all worked out
You can't really compare it to the Church-run institutions. Particularly in the internet age malpractice will leak out. I would specifically exclude religious organisations from running private prisons. France is a secular state and has semi private prisons.

It would also reduce the use of delapidated Victorian buildings with no sanitation by our public prisons.
 

Jack Walsh

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You can't really compare it to the Church-run institutions. Particularly in the internet age malpractice will leak out. I would specifically exclude religious organisations from running private prisons. France is a secular state and has semi private prisons.

It would also reduce the use of delapidated Victorian buildings with no sanitation by our public prisons.
Then the government should just build 2-3 modern prisons.
FFS
They'd recoup the cost of the build on selling Mountjoy alone
Don't let bankers, hedge funds and speculators near areas such as this
 

Dame_Enda

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Then the government should just build 2-3 modern prisons.
FFS
They'd recoup the cost of the build on selling Mountjoy alone
Don't let bankers, hedge funds and speculators near areas such as this
After the Thornton Hall fiasco its clear the government cannot build prisons very well. A walled enclosure doesnt count.
 

Karloff

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No way. This creates an incentive to bribe politicians to criminalize as many forms of behavior as possible.
That is the problem with the system in the US. It depends on how it is implemented. I share your concerns as corruption is naughty naughty here in Ireland.
 

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Should the government allow private prisons (as in the UK, France and US) to end the revolving door system?

It would mean that those who are not being incarcerated because of a lack of prison space could be kept in a private prison instead.

In the UK, the Criminal Justice Act 1991 introduced private prisons (the first being Wold Prison), allowing the Home Secretary to contract out inprisonment of criminals to the private sector. HM Prison Berwyn near Wrexham opened last year. Also the following asylum removal centres are privately run: Harmondsworth Immigration Removal Centre, Yarl's Wood Immigration Removal Centre, and Colnbrook Immigration Removal Centre.

Examples of overcrowding/lack of spare beds in Irish public prisons (December 2017 - last column):

- Mountjoy Campus (for women): 116% of bed capacity.
- Limerick prison (men/women): 110/113% of "Inspector of Prisons Bed Capacity"
- Arbour Hill prison: 104% of bed capacity.
I would not be comfortable with that kind of power being outside democratic control.
 

Alan Alda

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Stop seeking profit from everything!
Some things(everything?) need to be driven by ethics/outcomes for society, rather than profitability.
 

Dame_Enda

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Stop seeking profit from everything!
Some things(everything?) need to be driven by ethics/outcomes for society, rather than profitability.
They wouldnt necessarily have to be for-profit in all cases.

The bottom line is the revolving door needs to come to an end. The perpetual release and soft sentencing of thugs with hundreds of previous convictions (and bailing of such persons) is partly (though not exclusively) due to a lack of prison space., That is what my proposal aims to resolve.
 


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