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The OD

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Considering we are being told that d'internet and name calling* could potentially be responsible for the suicide of a TD, perhaps its time that we start to look at the level of outright lies, character assassination and vitriol that comes with every election.

We might also look at how lies are used to gain votes - how many people voted, with hope, for the current government and were so very badly let down? One might call them naive, anyone with a lick of sense knew that we were royally screwed no matter how we voted, but you could be forgiven for believing that we would have 'turned a corner' to quote the previous shower of liars, by now.

Is dashing peoples hope a form of abuse and could it push people over the edge in times of crisis? Could cutting respite care and all the other mean spirited acts of a Dickensian budget cause people to take their own lives?

But back to my original point - surely we shall now see a fair, honest and clean election next time out? Or will we? One thing we have learned over the years about politicians is that they lie and exaggerate as easily as the rest of us breath air. Another we have learned is that they believe that the rules are fluid and do not apply to them as rigidly as the rest of us.
 


SPN

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One might call them naive, anyone with a lick of sense knew that we were royally screwed no matter how we voted, but you could be forgiven for believing that we would have 'turned a corner' to quote the previous shower of liars, by now.
The problem with hoping we will "turn the corner" is that there is no corner to turn.

The global banking system went into reverse in 2007. The collapse of Lehmans brought the entire system to within hours of meltdown.

Since 2008 the various Governments across the World have done a good job of holding things together and managing the collapse.

But the next leg down, when it comes, will be a lot deeper, and the hit will be a lot harder.

Watch Japan and France. They are the two canaries in the coalmine. When they begin to blow you'll know that we are about to move to the next level.

Who you vote for in Ireland makes feck all difference. This is a global problem, and it will play out on the global stage.

Meanwhile, enjoy life while you can.
 

NeilW

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One thing we have learned over the years about politicians is that they lie and exaggerate as easily as the rest of us breath air. Another we have learned is that they believe that the rules are fluid and do not apply to them as rigidly as the rest of us.
Does the Republic not have provisions equivalent to the UK's Representation of the People Act (1983) that outlaws false statements of fact about a candidate? Making false statements about his opponent effectively saw Phil Woolas' election in 2010 overturned.
 

linny55

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Jon Stewart on the Daily Show played clips one night of Fox News highlighting the Obama camp calling Romney bla , bla , bla etc, and then proceed to show clips of his fellow Republicans calling him bla , bla , bla etc during the contest for nominating a candidate for the presedential election. So bla , bla , bla etc away.
 

cabledude

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The problem with hoping we will "turn the corner" is that there is no corner to turn.

The global banking system went into reverse in 2007. The collapse of Lehmans brought the entire system to within hours of meltdown.



Since 2008 the various Governments across the World have done a good job of holding things together and managing the collapse.

But the next leg down, when it comes, will be a lot deeper, and the hit will be a lot harder.

Watch Japan and France. They are the two canaries in the coalmine. When they begin to blow you'll know that we are about to move to the next level.

Who you vote for in Ireland makes feck all difference. This is a global problem, and it will play out on the global stage.

Meanwhile, enjoy life while you can.
Jeez, SPN. Cheer up lad. Have a sweet or something!! Serious gloom going on there.
 

SPN

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Jeez, SPN. Cheer up lad. Have a sweet or something!! Serious gloom going on there.
No gloom at all.

I make the most of every day.

Whatever happens tomorrow happens tomorrow. I'll worry about it then.
 

storybud1

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Politicians, big business, unions ,and certain sections of the media have been in collusion for years, just look at Frontline Prez, the utter lack of investigation into the true cost of crazy immigration levels and any real investigating into are we better out of the E.U. and letting the banks go bust with their debts off our backs.

I think the media has failed to make inroads into blogging sites (hence they snapped up Dave Corcoran) and people are just turning off mainstream media. The media is only of use to the powerful if they can get the message out.

What if, year on year internet sites are getting more and more of the market share? the media will go on the attack of competing internet sites as their masters cannot possibly control blogging.
 

stopdoingstuff

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But the next leg down, when it comes, will be a lot deeper, and the hit will be a lot harder.

Watch Japan and France. They are the two canaries in the coalmine. When they begin to blow you'll know that we are about to move to the next level.
Indeed, European banks are about 3 times more leveraged than US banks and have yet to be recapitalized, and the Japanese are not only running a trade deficit but their pension funds are selling assets to meet current claims, and the slightest increase in borrowing costs will lead to insolvency. These matters are not as widely discusses as they ought to be.
 

james5001

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The problem with hoping we will "turn the corner" is that there is no corner to turn.

The global banking system went into reverse in 2007. The collapse of Lehmans brought the entire system to within hours of meltdown.

Since 2008 the various Governments across the World have done a good job of holding things together and managing the collapse.

But the next leg down, when it comes, will be a lot deeper, and the hit will be a lot harder.

Watch Japan and France. They are the two canaries in the coalmine. When they begin to blow you'll know that we are about to move to the next level.

Who you vote for in Ireland makes feck all difference. This is a global problem, and it will play out on the global stage.

Meanwhile, enjoy life while you can.
You seem to be very conservative in your opinions. And I don't mean that in the political sense in this instance. So when you say this, it makes me worry.
 

james5001

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No gloom at all.

I make the most of every day.

Whatever happens tomorrow happens tomorrow. I'll worry about it then.
If we live in an unchangeable society. But we don't.
 

Radix

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The problem with hoping we will "turn the corner" is that there is no corner to turn.

The global banking system went into reverse in 2007. The collapse of Lehmans brought the entire system to within hours of meltdown.

Since 2008 the various Governments across the World have done a good job of holding things together and managing the collapse.

But the next leg down, when it comes, will be a lot deeper, and the hit will be a lot harder.

Watch Japan and France. They are the two canaries in the coalmine. When they begin to blow you'll know that we are about to move to the next level.

Who you vote for in Ireland makes feck all difference. This is a global problem, and it will play out on the global stage.

Meanwhile, enjoy life while you can.


That bit there.
 

Blossie

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My biggest worry about the next election is that those idiots Tom McEllistrim and John O'Donoghue will carry out their threats and run as candidates for Kerry and the idiots here will vote for them AGAIN !
 

NLPete

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Considering we are being told that d'internet and name calling* could potentially be responsible for the suicide of a TD, perhaps its time that we start to look at the level of outright lies, character assassination and vitriol that comes with every election.

We might also look at how lies are used to gain votes - how many people voted, with hope, for the current government and were so very badly let down? One might call them naive, anyone with a lick of sense knew that we were royally screwed no matter how we voted, but you could be forgiven for believing that we would have 'turned a corner' to quote the previous shower of liars, by now.

Is dashing peoples hope a form of abuse and could it push people over the edge in times of crisis? Could cutting respite care and all the other mean spirited acts of a Dickensian budget cause people to take their own lives?

But back to my original point - surely we shall now see a fair, honest and clean election next time out? Or will we? One thing we have learned over the years about politicians is that they lie and exaggerate as easily as the rest of us breath air. Another we have learned is that they believe that the rules are fluid and do not apply to them as rigidly as the rest of us.
The second and third paragraph are spot on...too many people have too much to lose in letting the situation stabalise, and of course the whole thing is up in the air because because they dont have the ability or courage to walk away from the system that gave them a position on the mind map, and they havn't got a clue whats going on in the broder context ie geo-political etc.

And as for the situation away from the local level...??

Anyway, Good OP
 

The OD

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I'll start to take this seriously when you give me some answers.

What was the method used?
Sorry but I really don't understand your post?

What method are you talking about and if you have other questions, don't hesitate to post them in a clear, coherent format please.

Thanking you.
 

lying eyes

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My biggest worry about the next election is that those idiots Tom McEllistrim and John O'Donoghue will carry out their threats and run as candidates for Kerry and the idiots here will vote for them AGAIN !

Well if they do, we deserve everything that we get....
 

Twin Towers

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One might call them naive, anyone with a lick of sense knew that we were royally screwed no matter how we voted, but you could be forgiven for believing that we would have 'turned a corner' to quote the previous shower of liars, by now.
Given "our friends" in Europe and the Tweedledee/Tweedledum choices at home.

 

Dame_Enda

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A particular example being the vicious media and political attacks on the honesty of former Lord Mayor of Dublin and FF GE candidate Royston Brady who as it turned out was telling the truth about his father having been kidnapped on the day of the Dublin-Monaghan bombings. Nonetheless the controversy probably cost him a seat.
 

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