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Protestant group demands end to sale of rosary beads


Aindriu

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A Protestant group from Belfast is demanding an end to the sale of rosary beads at St Patrick's Church of Ireland in Dublin.

These eejits get worse!!

Full story here
 

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The real breaking news is that breaking news probably got that story from .... Joe Duffy's Liveline.

Wallace Thompson is involved in an organisation called, I think, the Evangelical Protestant Society. He wrote to Dean McCarthy who gave the same reasons on Liveline as he gave in his letter to Thompson - that the cathedral sells 70k worth (who would have thought?) of rosary beads each year. Their shop sells 200k in total each year which makes up in total 80% of their income - which they use to keep the cathedral in good nick.

Thompson's argument was that rosary beads are essentially in conflict with protestantism and while he had no problem with other items (such as jigsaws featuring images of Dublin) on sale in the shop, he felt it was inappropriate to sell items which are directly in conflict with the beliefs which should be espoused by the Cathedral.

The Dean pointed out that the majority of their visitors are not Anglican. He said he gets one or two letters of complaint each year, usually with NI addresses.

Then followed religious discussion.
 

Aindriu

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Kate P said:
He said he gets one or two letters of complaint each year, usually with NI addresses.
Now why doesn't that surprise me? :roll: :lol:
 

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Wallace Thompson is also a member of the Independent Orange Lodge. He is barely representative of the Protestant community. It is at a stretch to refer to his organisation as a Protestant group, fundamentalist group would be far more appropriate as it does not have the allure of implicating normal Protestant Churches with this shower. His website also contains links to Ian Paisley's... somewhat unsurprisingly.

What I find so surprising, given Mr Thompson's letter, is that he was so ecumenical as to be in an Anglican Cathedral in the first place. Given Mr Paisley's denial of ecumenism with any mainstream church (Protestant Churches included) it would not be unsurprising if Mr Thompson holds similar views. I sense a publicity stunt on his behalf. It is unfortunate, though not unsurprising, that it comes in the week designated the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity where churches Catholic, Protestant and Dissenter alike across this island shall join for services together.

<Edit>I have subsequently discovered Mr Thompson is a special advisor to Nigel Dodds. Explains a bit<Edit>
 

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Kate P said:
The real breaking news is that breaking news probably got that story from .... Joe Duffy's Liveline.

Wallace Thompson is involved in an organisation called, I think, the Evangelical Protestant Society. He wrote to Dean McCarthy who gave the same reasons on Liveline as he gave in his letter to Thompson - that the cathedral sells 70k worth (who would have thought?) of rosary beads each year. Their shop sells 200k in total each year which makes up in total 80% of their income - which they use to keep the cathedral in good nick.

Thompson's argument was that rosary beads are essentially in conflict with protestantism and while he had no problem with other items (such as jigsaws featuring images of Dublin) on sale in the shop, he felt it was inappropriate to sell items which are directly in conflict with the beliefs which should be espoused by the Cathedral.

The Dean pointed out that the majority of their visitors are not Anglican. He said he gets one or two letters of complaint each year, usually with NI addresses.

Then followed religious discussion.
Evangelicalism and Anglicanism are worlds apart. This group is just trying to import its particular brand of intolerance and rigid dogma which it believes is the only path to salvation.

You'll find Anglicanism has more of a shared view point with Catholicism in many respects.

Dr Robert MacCarthy is better placed to decide what he sells in his church than a a bunch of puritanical muppets north of the border.
 

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Leftfemme22 said:
Evangelicalism and Anglicanism are world apart. This group is just trying to import its particular brand of intolerance and rigid dogma which it believes is the only path to salvation.

You'll find Anglicanism has more of a shared view point with Catholicism in many respects.
Most of the mainstream Churches hold similar view points in many regards. There are excellent relations in most cases between the Catholic, Church of Ireland, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches in Ireland. These fundamentalist groups are not representative of the mainstream Churches, nor would they wish to be, they condemn most except themselves.
 

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Leftfemme22 said:
Kate P said:
The real breaking news is that breaking news probably got that story from .... Joe Duffy's Liveline.

Wallace Thompson is involved in an organisation called, I think, the Evangelical Protestant Society. He wrote to Dean McCarthy who gave the same reasons on Liveline as he gave in his letter to Thompson - that the cathedral sells 70k worth (who would have thought?) of rosary beads each year. Their shop sells 200k in total each year which makes up in total 80% of their income - which they use to keep the cathedral in good nick.

Thompson's argument was that rosary beads are essentially in conflict with protestantism and while he had no problem with other items (such as jigsaws featuring images of Dublin) on sale in the shop, he felt it was inappropriate to sell items which are directly in conflict with the beliefs which should be espoused by the Cathedral.

The Dean pointed out that the majority of their visitors are not Anglican. He said he gets one or two letters of complaint each year, usually with NI addresses.

Then followed religious discussion.
Evangelicalism and Anglicanism are world apart. This group is just trying to import its particular brand of intolerance and rigid dogma which it believes is the only path to salvation.

You'll find Anglicanism has more of a shared view point with Catholicism in many respects.

Dr Robert MacCarthy is better place to decide what he sells in his church than a a bunch of puritanical muppets north of the border.
Apart from the first line of that post, the rest is taken from the radio - Anglican was the word used by the dean.

Just to clarify...
 

fergalr

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Yes because these days the power of religion in many parts of the world is clearly declining. :|
 

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Aindriu said:
A Protestant group from Belfast is demanding an end to the sale of rosary beads at St Patrick's Church of Ireland in Dublin.

These eejits get worse!!

Full story here
Mr Wallace has every right to make his point. The Church of Ireland is being hypocritical.

The most interesting part of Lifeline was when Mr. Wallace reiterated his belief that the Pope was the "Anti-Christ" and that this belief was also the official position of Anglicanism.

The Dean dodged the question like a true politician.
 

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White Horse said:
The most interesting part of Lifeline was when Mr. Wallace reiterated his belief that the Pope was the "Anti-Christ" and that this belief was also the official position of Anglicanism.
It isn't.
 

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White Horse said:
Mr Wallace has every right to make his point. The Church of Ireland is being hypocritical.
No, it is not. It is having some infighting, but what big church would not have that?

The most interesting part of Lifeline was when Mr. Wallace reiterated his belief that the Pope was the "Anti-Christ" and that this belief was also the official position of Anglicanism.

The Dean dodged the question like a true politician.
It can be in some historical documents but it is not an existing official position. The 39 Articles do not have this - only that "the church of Rome has erred".
 

jerryp

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This guy Thompson is like Paisley circa 1960. If it snows tomorrow, he'll probably go into action !
 

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Marian devotions are used by the High Church. St Patricks is more high church than low church. So of course they would stock rosary beads. They also do smells and bells.
 

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Mr. Thompson is described as a 'civil servant' on the 'Evangelical Protestant Society' website yet he has been described on this board as a 'special adviser' to Dodds of the DUP. Given the very public way this controversy is being whipped up - letters to the papers, interviews with Joe Duffy, etc. he's skating very close to the edges of his contract of employment.

The NI Civil Service have a very robust attitude to their members getting involved in political disputes. It would be interesting if anyone had further information on his political activities.

There seems to be a move towards whipping up a bit of heat in Northern politics at the moment - the people who oppose the GFA, mostly educated fundamentalists realise that they are losing the debate and are giving it a final bit of a lash.

This is a quite separate group to the loyalists, and a lot cleverer. They would have links to the TUV (Traditional Unionist Voice) which is currently trying to split the DUP over posersharing. Any and all information gratefully received - I'm off now to do a bit of googling but there must be some real researchers out there who would have more success than I could possibly hope for.
 

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restless said:
...researchers out there who would have more success than I could possibly hope for.
Department of Enterprise, Trade and Investment (DETI)


Minister: Nigel Dodds MP MLA (DUP)
 Department of Enterprise, Trade and Investment
Netherleigh
Massey Avenue
Belfast BT4 2JP
private.office@detini.gov.uk
 028 9052 9900
www.detini.gov.uk

Special Advisor: Wallace Thompson wallace.thompson@detini.gov.uk

The information above is from page 7 of this document www.nwcn.org/documents/Ministersanddepa ... osheet.doc

The article here refers to Mr Thompson as "chief aide to Enterprise Minister Nigel Dodds".

Here is a nice photo of him with Ian Paisley, albeit in a religious setting.




He described himself on Liveline as currently holding a 'more political' position than his previous civil service role. He was however, unkeen to divulge any further information as he deemed it, unfair.


For anyone who is particularly interested, you can even hear him preach by clicking here! All the sermons I could find were preached on the book of Daniel.

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Further to my comments in replies previous to this I think it is necessary for the respect of any Presbyterian members that we might have, to state that the Church to which Mr Thompson belongs is not the Presbyterian Church as may have come across. It is rather a breakaway group with very few members, known as The Evangelical Presbyterian Church.
 

Goldwater

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So is this man to be denied the right to state what he believes in? Ecumenism is a farce; if you believe that you have discovered the true path to God, you should have the confidence of your beliefs and proclaim that. It is the mushiness of the Anglican Church and much of the RC Church that has greatly led to the crisis of belief in Christianity. If the churches themselves seem unsure of what they are supposed to believe, why should the ordinary people have any more faith?
 
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