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Protestant women happier with church than Catholics


Cruimh

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This makes for interesting reading .

Protestant women happier with church than Catholics

Almost three-quarters of Catholic women do not feel their church “regards women with a lot of respect” in contrast to 94 per cent of Protestant women who feel they are respected.
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Both groups of women were tolerant of abortion in defined circumstances with 90 per cent of Catholic women and 97 per cent of Protestant women agreeing that “abortion should be allowed if the pregnancy seriously endangers the life of the mother”.
 

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Not particularly surprising given that women may be ordained in the Church of Ireland, Presbyterian and Methodist Churches and that each of the same has heavy involvement from the laiety, in many cases dominated by female laiety.
 

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Didn't you find the abortion figures surprising ?
No because that has long been the position of the main Protestant Churches regarding the health of the mother and quite clearly has become the dominant opinion among the Catholic laiety. It has become increasingly clear that the Catholic laeity has opinions quite divergent from that of the Vatican, I'm surprised that you had not noticed this.
 

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No because that has long been the position of the main Protestant Churches regarding the health of the mother and quite clearly has become the dominant opinion among the Catholic laiety. It has become increasingly clear that the Catholic laeity has opinions quite divergent from that of the Vatican, I'm surprised that you had not noticed this.
Would you say that 90% would be reflected in the male catholic laity ?

( It was claimed elsewhere that Catholic women are amongst the strongest opponents of abortion )
 

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Im surprised anyone is against abortion when it seriously troubles the health of the mother.
 

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Actions speak louder than words. When the Irish Times ran a campaign, sustained over a sizeable number of weeks, to have women boycott a mass, the precise impact was bugger all. Geraldine Kennedy and the Irish Times are still scarlet with the humiliation of that failure, hence the appearance of tendentious and unashamedly sectarian pieces such as this.

It's sulky child lashing out because they didn't get their way, nothing more.
 

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There seems to be some kind of hidden assumption here that the purpose of religion is to make one happy. Apart from a few minor religions, that is not really true.
 

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Im surprised anyone is against abortion when it seriously troubles the health of the mother.
Yes, health (including mental health) should be the defining criteria not the life of the mother.
 

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Actions speak louder than words. When the Irish Times ran a campaign, sustained over a sizeable number of weeks, to have women boycott a mass, the precise impact was bugger all. Geraldine Kennedy and the Irish Times are still scarlet with the humiliation of that failure, hence the appearance of tendentious and unashamedly sectarian pieces such as this.

It's sulky child lashing out because they didn't get their way, nothing more.
As someone who lapsed for a very long time,and has seen the outside,
I think that in spite of it's faults ,it is better for humanity ,than the likes of the G.K.s and their ways.
I am very emancipated ,and I am sure that many priests know less than me about religion,and would not agree with me in many ways
But better the C.Church in it's totality than the Emptiness of these people.
Christ loved women ,it is obvious ,but he did not make any of them 'apostles' [priests].
Women are highly involved in the church in the world ,in so many ways ,and more and more.
Ireland might be a bit behind ,but it is coming.
Just to add a note ,that there is no doubt that years ago they were too hard with women,but then so was all of society.
These atheists offer nothing to lift our spirits ,since they are total
'materialists'.
The Roman Catholic church with All it's faults [any they are many] still has
a connnection to the Divine which no other church can come near.
You can see it in France esp.
The poeple who are a 'bit' Catholic as opposed to long term atheist, it can be seen in their 'spirit'.
 

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These atheists offer nothing to lift our spirits ,since they are total 'materialists'.
Not all atheists are materialists. I am an atheist but I am not a materialist, neither in the consumerist sense nor in the philosophical sense. But you fire ahead and continue to believe whatever the voices in your head tell you to.
 

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Yes, health (including mental health) should be the defining criteria not the life of the mother.
Abortion is a complex issue but the question was whether it should be allowed in cases where the mum's life is in serious danger so honestly who are these 10 per of RC women and 3 per cent of Protestant women who would rather see the death of both of mother and foetus/unborn child than an abortion take place? Thats pretty psycho.
 

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There seems to be some kind of hidden assumption here that the purpose of religion is to make one happy. Apart from a few minor religions, that is not really true.
Religion at its most basic form is a means of understanding society, and creating order out of it.

The simple fact is that while many (but certainly not all) Protestant churches have adapted themselves to how their adherents behave in society over an extended period of time, the Catholic Church has not (and in that perhaps lies a future strength, after all Islam has been gaining converts recently despite all the negative press due to its clear, unyielding, and unchanging doctrine).

It's no surprise that a large percentage of the church membership diverges widely from the Church, indeed in many areas I suspect that it has always been so.

From what I have been able to observe personally, Catholicism in Ireland is as much a social ritual of renewing ties every Sunday as it is looking at the hereafter.

Of course, this is utterly unsurprising.
 

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Not all atheists are materialists. I am an atheist but I am not a materialist, neither in the consumerist sense nor in the philosophical sense. But you fire ahead and continue to believe whatever the voices in your head tell you to.
I am sorry ,but 'materialists' means in this case those who
believe, that only a material world exists,and that which they cannot measure
with their 'instruments' to date does not therefore exist.
So in essence All atheists are therefore materialists,for they do not 'believe'
in the life invisible to these instruments.
An atheist cannot either be a deist,someone who believes in a creator or creators.
The latter would be a pagan,if they believed in several gods etc.
 

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I am sorry ,but 'materialists' means in this case those who
believe, that only a material world exists,and that which they cannot measure
with their 'instruments' to date does not therefore exist.
So in essence All atheists are therefore materialists,for they do not 'believe'
in the life invisible to these instruments.
An atheist cannot either be a deist,someone who believes in a creator or creators.
The latter would be a pagan,if they believed in several gods etc.
I'm quite aware of what it means, thank you, and it doesn't apply to me. Try again.
 

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As someone who lapsed for a very long time,and has seen the outside,
I think that in spite of it's faults ,it is better for humanity ,than the likes of the G.K.s and their ways.
I am very emancipated ,and I am sure that many priests know less than me about religion,and would not agree with me in many ways
But better the C.Church in it's totality than the Emptiness of these people.
Christ loved women ,it is obvious ,but he did not make any of them 'apostles' [priests].
Women are highly involved in the church in the world ,in so many ways ,and more and more.
Ireland might be a bit behind ,but it is coming.
Just to add a note ,that there is no doubt that years ago they were too hard with women,but then so was all of society.
These atheists offer nothing to lift our spirits ,since they are total
'materialists'.
The Roman Catholic church with All it's faults [any they are many] still has
a connnection to the Divine which no other church can come near.
You can see it in France esp.
The poeple who are a 'bit' Catholic as opposed to long term atheist, it can be seen in their 'spirit'.
The emptiness of these people? What are you like?
You don't think people are real Christians unless they accept the infallibility of a superannuated Bavarian virgin?
We know absolutely nothing about the real Christ - he is so shrouded in mythology we know practically nothing about the historical figure only that he perhaps existed - we don't know if he took a wife or remain celibate or his opinions about women.
For all we know the 12 apostles - representing the 12 tribes of Israel - were also a myth.
Women are involved in the church but they can still not become priests or celebrate mass - why? Clearly the Catholic Church is mysognist, the priesthood is crammed with sexually confused and terrified men who became depraved because of the tyranny of celibacy and in their extreme loneliness sought comfort by abusing children.
Society was mysognistic and remains highly mysognistic - porn culture has turned supposedly liberare women into crude sex objects which is every bit as oppressive as the centures of abuse that happened before.
Atheists would rather the material world than a world of make-believe and fantasy which has create so much suffering in the real world.
How can the Catholic Church claim to have sole access to the Divine when more than a billion Muslims would claim to have the same sole access?
What is this claptrap about being a 'bit' Catholic?
Does that makes you somehow morally superior?
:mad:
 

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Another thing is that one does not always have the opportunity to
explain clearly and at length.
My experience of most scientists and atheists is that they are philosophical materialists,so you would be different ,but I cannot begin to have the time to think what that means at the moment ?
 

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I'm not religious, but was raised a Catholic.

However, if for some reason I had to belong to any religion, I would choose a form of liberal Protestantism. It seems to me the form of religion which best respects the individual and places intelligence and pragmatism above dogma.

However, I also understand what scipio says when he points out that unreformed religions with uncompromising doctrines - such as Islam or Catholicism - are growing at a time when historically Protestant lands (with the notable exception of the US) are becoming ever more atheist.
 

dónal na geallaí

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Just been reading about the 'Prayer Book Rebellion' in Cornwall.Under Henry VIII 's reforms men and women were told to sit on different sides of the aisle.This didnt go down well in the West Country.Of course the rebellion was about lots of other stuff,too but I found this little fact a bit surprising.I was struck by the 'maleness' of a Baptist church I attended once.And it was John Knox who gave us 'hyenas in petticoats' anf 'the monstrous regiment of women' -( I think -open to correction!).So it seems like role reversal,with the RCC losing the plot.Women are the transmitters of culture;so be warned ye misogynists!
 
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